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Old 05-18-2007, 12:56 AM
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I repeat: Jesus preached to and healed the "sinners". He compared Pharisees to whitewashed tombs-beautiful on the inside and dead and rotting on the inside.
The problem is that the outside is all we can see. Jesus could look into a man's soul and see what was on the inside, we do not have that talent. Since we can not see into a man's heart, then we cannot judge him. Only God knows what is in the heart of a man. What we see is only the surface of a man. We can see the things he does- The Bible says that if one sees a brother sinning to talk to him in private about it first and if the brother repents, that is the end of it. That is not judging. If you belittle your Christian siblings in public without talking to them in private first, then you can't be following Jesus's commands.
From what I can gather from reading all four gospels is that you should not condemn nonbelievers at all, but witness to them, teach them. If they accept God, then God will reveal to them their sins and they will repent.

There are some lovely verses in Matthew, well I will let you read them for yourself:
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with what measure you measure, it will be measured back to you.
Mat 7:3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not notice the plank in your own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how will you say to your brother, 'Permit me to remove the speck from your eye'; and look, there is a plank in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

(These are not out of context.)
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Old 05-20-2007, 06:55 PM
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I repeat: Jesus preached to and healed the "sinners". He compared Pharisees to whitewashed tombs-beautiful on the inside and dead and rotting on the inside.
The problem is that the outside is all we can see. Jesus could look into a man's soul and see what was on the inside, we do not have that talent. Since we can not see into a man's heart, then we cannot judge him. Only God knows what is in the heart of a man. What we see is only the surface of a man. We can see the things he does- The Bible says that if one sees a brother sinning to talk to him in private about it first and if the brother repents, that is the end of it. That is not judging. If you belittle your Christian siblings in public without talking to them in private first, then you can't be following Jesus's commands.
From what I can gather from reading all four gospels is that you should not condemn nonbelievers at all, but witness to them, teach them. If they accept God, then God will reveal to them their sins and they will repent.

There are some lovely verses in Matthew, well I will let you read them for yourself:
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with what measure you measure, it will be measured back to you.
Mat 7:3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not notice the plank in your own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how will you say to your brother, 'Permit me to remove the speck from your eye'; and look, there is a plank in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

(These are not out of context.)
There is a difference between testing the doctrine someone proclaims to be from God, and judging someone personally. Please consider the distinction made by God in the Bible. When we speak as a Christian, we represent what God has revealed in His Word. We need to share what God has spoken only, and never our personal opinions. - BT

Matthew 7 - Judging Others
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

1 Thessalonians 5
Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

1 John 4 - Test the Spirits
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11:
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
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Old 05-21-2007, 12:07 PM
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I would like to discuss the teaching of Jesus that Baptism is essential to salvation:

Matt. 3: 15Suffer it to be so now . . . to fulfil all righteousness. Matt. 28: 19teach all nations, baptizing them. Mark 1: 9Jesus came . . . and was baptized of John. Mark 16: 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Luke 3: 21Jesus also being baptized. Luke 7: 30rejected the counsel of God . . . being not baptized. John 3: 5Except a man be born of water . . . he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 2: 38Repent, and be baptized every one of you. Acts 10: 48commanded them to be baptized. Acts 22: 16be baptized, and wash away thy sins. Titus 3: 5saved us, by the washing of regeneration. 1 Pet. 3: 21baptism doth also now save us.Rom. 6: 4buried with him by baptism.
Hey Comprehend,

The claim of baptismal regeneration appears to be a common theme in several of the on-going Threads. The Roman Catholic Church and “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teach baptismal regeneration, the need of water baptism is necessary for salvation.

I answered this same claim of baptismal regeneration on the Thread "Is Salvation through Faith Alone" posts 41, 42, 43. I don't think everybody wants me to double post the same biblical response on multiple Threads. Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, by the person and work of Christ alone. Water baptism is an outward sign of the inward reality of being united to Christ through faith alone. If you make water baptism the cause of salvation, you have added works of something man must do to be saved.

Romans chapter 6 is the inward reality of being baptized by the Spirit, uniting a sinner to Christ through faith alone. Please read Romans 6 in context with the entire book of Romans. We can talk about all of the other Scriptures you posted and take each one and interpret them in proper biblical context if you want to. - BT


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