The gospel of the kingdom (Jesus, Earth, salvation, doctrine) - Page 5

Bick · #41 03-03-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

It would have the same meaning if it were singular or plural.

EDIT: Yes, I see that every time Matthew uses "kingdom (singular) of heaven (common plural)." However, the distinction between "heaven" and "heavens" is unimportant in English and even less important in Greek - there is none.

I don't see it that way. I have heard or read of too many views that "kingdom of heaven" is in heaven, and that is the destiny of true believers in Jesus.

To me, "kingdom of the heavens" is the Messianic kingdom on the earth.

beloved57 · #42 03-03-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

I see. He made some of us for the express purpose of condemning us to Hell. And how do you reconcile this with the fact that God is loving and merciful?

You have left me literally speechless, beloved, which is something few people on RF have ever been able to do.

He is Loving and Merciful only to His elect, thats it...

Quoth The Raven · #43 03-04-2007, 04:45 AM

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He is Loving and Merciful only to His elect, thats it...

Then what's the point in following 'the rules' if god's already decided who's screwed and who isn't, based on some haphazard and reasonless method? And why would he continue the experiment, why not just end it now - if the choices are already made -unless he's some sort of sadist who likes to see people strive to do his will before he punishes them for not being the lucky winners of the salvation lottery?

I've seen some ratty versions of god before, but this one takes the cake. The other interpretations at least all seem to punish you for something you've apparently done instead of on a whim.
There has to be some reason behind his choices...even a 5 year old child has reasons why they like one thing and dislike another.Surely god has his act as together as a 5 year old child does?

beloved57 · #44 03-04-2007, 09:43 AM

qtr says:

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Then what's the point in following 'the rules'

Follow what rules ? Are you impling that salvation is the result of following rules ?

Quoth The Raven · #45 03-04-2007, 03:35 PM

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qtr says:

Follow what rules ? Are you impling that salvation is the result of following rules ?

According to your take on things, salvation is a result of god going,'Eeny,meeny, miney, mo...' that being the case, why bother with the whole farce of getting poor Jesus stapled to a cross, why bother with the message? God made his choices - according to you - and to not make it explicitly clear to everyone else who might try to live by the supposed message that they might as well not bother because they're not on the list so they're due for the nasty end result,regardless of how decent a person they are - is sadistic. The way you're putting it makes the atheists look like they're on the right track...what's the point in believing in an entity that clearly doesn't believe in you? Why waste your time? I'm sure god likes the attention, but if this is truly the way he operates, he's certainly not deserving of it.
'Mother Teresa, sorry, you're cooking...Hitler, walk on through, there's drinks in the foyer.'
I know god's supposed to work in mysterious ways, but these ways strike me as irrational rather than mysterious.

angellous_evangellous · #46 03-04-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

You have left me literally speechless... which is something few people on RF have ever been able to do.

I'll claim three of those.

Scientific Evidence that Angellous is Your Daddy

beloved57 · #47 03-04-2007, 03:50 PM

qtr says

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According to your take on things, salvation is a result of god going,'Eeny,meeny, miney, mo...' that being the case, why bother with the whole farce of getting poor Jesus stapled to a cross, why bother with the message? God made his choices - according to you - and to not make it explicitly clear to everyone else who might try to live by the supposed message that they might as well not bother because they're not on the list so they're due for the nasty end result,regardless of how decent a person they are - is sadistic.

So now you can see how much you hate the God of scripture because He does not fit with your humanistic concept..

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The way you're putting it makes the atheists look like they're on the right track...what's the point in believing in an entity that clearly doesn't believe in you? Why waste your time? I'm sure god likes the attention, but if this is truly the way he operates, he's certainly not deserving of it.

You are Blaspheming the God of heaven ! He that created heaven and earth and all that dwell therein !

Katzpur · #48 03-04-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

I'll claim three of those.

Scientific Evidence that Angellous is Your Daddy

Not even close, Daddy!

Katzpur · #49 03-04-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by beloved57

You are Blaspheming the God of heaven ! He that created heaven and earth and all that dwell therein !

But does it really matter? If she's on the "Pre-approved for Salvation" list, she can say or do anything she wants and still be saved. If she's not, she's not, and nothing she could possibly do is going to change that. Based on what you seem to believe, can you give me one good reason why she shouldn't blaspheme (if, in fact she did)?