By Their Fruits You Shall Recognize Them (Jesus, crucified, translation)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by beloved57

A man is not saved for crying Lord, a person is saved if Christ died for them, period..

And John 3:16 says that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life. I take that to mean that He died for me, too.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

And John 3:16 says that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life. I take that to mean that He died for me, too.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There are many false christ out there , which one you believe in ? Do you believe in the Christ that Died to save ONLY the Elect of God ?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by beloved57

There are many false christ out there , which one you believe in ? Do you believe in the Christ that Died to save ONLY the Elect of God ?

Nope. I believe in the Christ who said, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

[astarath]

John 3:16 states belief. The equivalent of belief is faith. Faith is proved by works. This is the value of the statements, those who cry lord lord shall not be known and those who bear good fruits shall be good trees

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Nope. I believe in the Christ who said, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Well Thats only relevant to those he chose !

Jn 15

16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by astarath

John 3:16 states belief. The equivalent of belief is faith. Faith is proved by works. This is the value of the statements, those who cry lord lord shall not be known and those who bear good fruits shall be good trees

You are under the curse of the law, and the only way you will get to hraven is if you keep it perfectly !

ja 2
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

gal 3

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by beloved57

paul says
You knew a god !

No, I know the God of the bible, he is not a god of my imagination shaped to suit my preferences, i read the bible and let it shape me and teach me who God is. My position is scripture only yours is scripture mediated and interpreted through John Calvin, but:
Ps 118v8-9: It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

The Law of God has not taught you or broke you down from Idolatry

I am not following a god of my own invention, you have an idol and it is called T.U.L.I.P. Nice flower but bad theology.

You never heard the gospel which is tulip. How can you have heard the gospel when you never heard the gospel

The gospel is never once presented by an apostle in the bible according to the dictates of Calvinism.

I do not care about the history of those men, all men are sinful by nature, but what I am declaring is the gospel which is tulip, those truthes are in the bible,you just reject them and therefore reject the gospel, you cannot be a true believer and don't believe the gospel, it is impossible..

All men are sinful but:
1Jn 3v15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
If you are believing a system formulated by a man with a persecuting heart you are without excuse as it is evident that he was lacking somewhat in the fruits of the Spirit.

It feels strange to be on the receiving end of this kind of conversation and the irony is not lost on me.

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

It feels strange to be on the receiving end of this kind of conversation and the irony is not lost on me.

There's hope for you yet!

James

[*Paul*]

I really hate debating with a brother (even though he doesn't see me as one) but sometimes it has to be done to stop the spread of error:

Ex 32v27: And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

1Cor 11v19: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.