The Anti-Christ is not a person (Jesus Christ, ritual, doctrine, spiritual)

[Pardus]

Ok, who can list the indicators? i can't remember them properly.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by xexon

Must we read the bible?

If you don't want Bible quotes, why would you start the thread in Biblical Debates?

Any of the mods can move the thread, if you'd prefer.

[may]

Definition: Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.

[xexon]

Originally Posted by Booko

If you don't want Bible quotes, why would you start the thread in Biblical Debates?

Any of the mods can move the thread, if you'd prefer.

You overlooked the smiley face.

It was meant to be humorous satire.


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[xexon]

Originally Posted by may

Definition: Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.

So some say, but I beg to differ.

You first need to know what a Christ is. A Christ is a human being, who has merged themselves into the absolute.

They have poured themselves out, and God consciousness has filled the empty space. They still look the same on the outside. They still maintain all the requirements and obligations they have in life. But the inside has changed. They has been reborn while still in the body.

Same mind as before, but now its a servant rather than a master. The master is your divine self. Your heart is it's mouthpiece. Your divine self walks with God, and when it comes, it brings the full access to the kingdom behind it. The mind will become a willing tool of the divine self after it understands this power.

Some gain this mastery over self in the blink of an eye. Others unfold like a flower in slow motion for many years. Each is different. Most exist with the people around them never knowing what secrets they carry within. They are asleep, but a Christ is awake. He sees how all things are inter-connected.


A Messiah is different. A Messiah is a kind of holy cheerleader. They are the tugboats of the almighty. When humanity needs a little course correction, a Messiah is the one who reaches out to the masses with a message. He's more like a farmer really. Plants seeds in the field of human thought. Jesus planted compassion.

There have been several Messiahs. Each for a different age. Humanity sparkles with all the Christs that walk among us. They are the early bloomers of the human race. Most are busy helping others to bloom as well.

When you're ready to bloom, you'll meet a Christ yourself. Might be the person you least expect too.


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[wizanda]

You see the reason why I keep trying to explain the Pharisees as John, Paul, Simon the stone, is that they are all anti-Christ’s; they clearly contradicts Christ/Yeshua each one in his own way, and all of them teaching like Balaam (Mic 6:6 ).

You see if they are removed and the other gospels re-read (in some cases, some people are to dogmatic), it shows the real Christ…not a Christ unlike the one most people believe and follow, yet without sacrifice, which is Balaam teaching to begin with (that God would sacrifice anything).
So they also following the Pharisees saying the exact opposite to Christ, make it very hard to deal with and understand for millions.

The points go like this:

Grace and inheritance (Hebrew) is to be cut off in Zechariah 11 ….100% clear……. on the potters field prophecy in the house of Israel 30 pieces of silver for price of Christ, to cut off 3 foolish shepherds; 1 re-established.

Christ reiterates the exact statement in the parable of the vine dresser and his son being killed to steal the inheritance; in that he says that they shall get nothing, thinking they can.
He asked for mercy and not to sacrifice the innocent (Hos 6:6), as the knowledge of God is more important.
He state in Matthew 23 clearly, don’t follow the Pharisees and why also Simon is with them, as if you swear by the sacrifice, you are guilty of the sacrifice.
He taught follow the commandments and give up wealth to gain eternal life, and give unto caesar what is caesar and what is God to God and if you carry neither staff or anything…… then what have you to give unto caesar?
So how can anyone really in their right mind proclaim that they follow Christianity, when they are all so wealthy and swear by another man death, so they can claim righteousness?

so millions are following the Anti-Christ this minute, in the weird Pharisee approach (long prayers, broad speeches, private wealth, communion = drunk on blood of dead prophets ++++) or mother of all harlots as it has many daughters.
who also prostate them self with man, and wooden images, which as far as the Bible goes is pure Anti-Christ.
As it is a timeless tradition to be Christ, Solomon and David were Christ also, it is merely the anointed king, yet God is always God.

Also the numbering of those scriptures being 66 is fallen man in Hebrew numerology and since most people have 66 books in their Bible; with women being removed, parts of Daniel, Maccabees 3/4 =(released in 1977).
the Pharisee got away with it to not follow Christ in the slightest, yet to re-establish them self’s.
As the current Christianity is roughly the same sect as it was before, from what Christ describes, not to follow.

Now if we take a step further we see it evolved our politics and taxations systems very much like the Roman empire, which is also known as the metal empire, as all you could see was shields. So when Kali is also metal and this crazy religion that should never have existed to begin, Christ was true and always spoke of God, the Pharisee didn’t and spoke of Christ as God….this is either deliberate to put people off or just to take credit and reorder events to get what they wanted, being Rome (according to Revelations).

[dawny0826]

Originally Posted by xexon

Must we read the bible?

Let's hear from the heart.

Christians by and large have no real conception of what a "Christ" is. Jesus was one, but not the only one. He tried to show others how to be like him, but they got caught up on another tangent and haven't been seen since.

Jesus wants you to be a Christ too. Thats the whole point of his pointing. His divinity is the same as what you have a right to. To become a Christ, one realizes this. Its your birthright. But you have to earn it.

DON'T worship the messenger. Just follow him.

The Anti Christ is all around you, should you indentify with it.

So is the Christ.

Sift the world well that you find only gold.


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I don't completely disagree with you here.

I do very much believe that there will be an actual individual who will eventually fight against the righteous on earth.

I do agree with you that anything that isn't of Christ is of the Anti-Christ.

If it's not Christ-like, it's of Satan or the devil, or evil or whatever you want to label it.

I'm a Trinitarian. With that said, now you know how I view Christ and who I believe Christ IS.

Which in my opinion, only places deeper emphasis on the concept of "following" the messenger. After all, WHO better to teach us how to live for God, then God Himself?

[xexon]

When in Rome...

God has to put on a body to work among men. Many are not developed to the point where they can see with their spiritual eyes yet, so a physical representative is needed.

To live by example. And lead by doing so.

But not everybody see it in the same light. Especially those who see it as a threat to their own power. Jesus is a pretty good example of what can happen to one who gets the wrong kind of attention from the powers that be.

You have to remember that for a human soul, this world is a foreign land. Heavenly qualities are surpressed in favor of mental stimulation through the body or freewill of the mind to create. You have to play by their rules. Still get your message out. And still keep your head.

Tough neighborhood, you know.

Tough audience too.


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[Jonathan Rex]

Where did the concept of an Anti-Christ develop? With whom, I mean.

[xexon]

Its symbolic. Used to descibe an age old problem.

It most likey had it's start before anyone was around to write about it.

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