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Old 10-13-2006, 01:51 PM
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The translated bible, especially in the OT, teaches hatred to non believers. Non believers of the self proclaimed god are evil, as a person who believe and follow the bible, how do you feel towards non believers? The self proclaimed god seems to always want to destroy anyone who do not believe in it, why would that be? If any other religion have the same teaching, please share your views.
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Old 10-13-2006, 02:00 PM
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The translated bible, especially in the OT, teaches hatred to non believers. Non believers of the self proclaimed god are evil, as a person who believe and follow the bible, how do you feel towards non believers? The self proclaimed god seems to always want to destroy anyone who do not believe in it, why would that be? If any other religion have the same teaching, please share your views.
ummm G-d has a problem w/ Israelites when they ignored the covenant...
but for the rest of the world, i have never seen hatred taught, nor does Judaism teach that i should hate those who don't believe as i do.
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ummm G-d has a problem w/ Israelites when they ignored the covenant...
but for the rest of the world, i have never seen hatred taught, nor does Judaism teach that i should hate those who don't believe as i do.
Have you looked in Deuteronomy?
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. ... And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
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Midnight, this is instructions to destroy the people living in Eretz Yisrael. Traditionally it is believed (and it can be found in the Torah) that they were wicked people, murders, adulters, etc. who could not be allowed to remain if a holy nation was to form. You can argue the historical accuracy of this in a historical debate section if you want. However, this is not an instruction for me to hate everyone who doesn't believe in Judaism and the Torah. This is also not an instruction for the Israelites to go to Gaul and kill pagans there, is it? or in Egypt? or Babylonia? or the Incan empire? This is dealing specificaly w/ the nations living in Eretz Yisrael (or the land of Canaan, which will become israel following it's conquest)
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ummm G-d has a problem w/ Israelites when they ignored the covenant...
but for the rest of the world, i have never seen hatred taught, nor does Judaism teach that i should hate those who don't believe as i do.
Are you saying that the punishment for the Israelites was to let them destroy non-believers in order to renew the covenant?
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The translated bible, especially in the OT, teaches hatred to non believers. Non believers of the self proclaimed god are evil, as a person who believe and follow the bible, how do you feel towards non believers? The self proclaimed god seems to always want to destroy anyone who do not believe in it, why would that be? If any other religion have the same teaching, please share your views.
You already know what I'm going to ask, and you aren't going to answer it - but...

Where does the Bible say that?
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I think you must understand, ProLogic, that the God in the OT bible wasn't interested in converting other people to the religion of Judaism. Judaism seemed to be exclusive religion, where only Hebrews/Israelites/Jews can become Jews. God is more often punishing his own people than everyone's else.

This, of course can be either a good or bad thing, depending on how you look at thing.

If you looked at Christianity and Islam, which are more inclusive, in allowing outsiders to join their religions, they have caused more global problems/crisises throughout their history than just Judaism confined to one or two kingdoms, probably because they are corrupted by political powers.
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The translated bible, especially in the OT, teaches hatred to non believers. Non believers of the self proclaimed god are evil, as a person who believe and follow the bible, how do you feel towards non believers? The self proclaimed god seems to always want to destroy anyone who do not believe in it, why would that be? If any other religion have the same teaching, please share your views.
Actually the plan of God is more loving than any man can emagine. In the very end of any person's schooling, which life really is, all of us will become as perfect as Jesus Christ. I will not get into too many scriptures but I believe this one will suffice.
Ephesians 4: 11 And he gave to some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evengelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12. For the perfecting of the Saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13. Till we ALL COME to the unity of the faith, and a knowledge of the Son of God, UNTO A PERFECT MAN, UNTO THE MEASURE OF THE STATURE OF THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST.
I really don't know how anyone could interpret those verses differently.
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The translated bible, especially in the OT, teaches hatred to non believers. Non believers of the self proclaimed god are evil, as a person who believe and follow the bible, how do you feel towards non believers? The self proclaimed god seems to always want to destroy anyone who do not believe in it, why would that be? If any other religion have the same teaching, please share your views.
That's a part of the bible that reminds me of Horatio Nelson;http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/o..._of_nelson.asp
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