Jesus said my god my god why have you forsaken me? (Jesus Christ, Earth)

[ProfLogic]

After his crucifixion, jesus uttered the words "My god my god why have you forsaken me", sounded like jesus admitting that he was but a man. If the self proclaimed bible god was truly jesus' father and that jesus was a god wouldn't he just say father you have forsaken me? The fact the he said this points to a strong evidence that jesus was a man that was convinced that he was a god. In the end he found out and it was too late thus he uttered these words in recognition of his failure to know that he was just a man. What's your perception?

[d.]

Originally Posted by ProfLogic

The fact the he said this points to a strong evidence that jesus was a man that was convinced that he was a god.

that's misusing both the terms 'fact' and 'strong evidence'.

[ProfLogic]

Originally Posted by il divino

that's misusing both the terms 'fact' and 'strong evidence'.

Why would you call your father a god if he was just a father to you? Jesus said those words thus strong evidence since people believed that the bible are the words of a god, translated or not.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by il divino

that's misusing both the terms 'fact' and 'strong evidence'.

Unless, of course, one is predisposed to viewing the Bible as the only source for "facts" or "strong evidence."

[AllisonW70]

I must admit that there was a time when I struggled with the exact same question. I questioned this until I came to understand the true meaning behind the crucifixion in the first place. On the cross, Jesus took the burden of our sin upon Himself. He was and is the sacrifice. That is what He came to do. We, as humans, fall short of God's glory every day. On the cross, Jesus paid the fine for our debt. My understanding is that as He took the sin of all humanity upon Himself, He became the living testament of what sin does: separates us from God. In that moment, Christ suffered the ultimate pain, the pain of our sin and the separation from God, as His body died. When we accept Him as our personal Lord and Savior, we know that our debt was paid that day. He was and is victorious over sin because He lives. That Is the Gospel. That is what it's all about.

[d.]

Originally Posted by doppleganger

Unless, of course, one is predisposed to viewing the Bible as the only source for "facts" or "strong evidence."

to each their own; for me it's got to be 'the ghost of monte carlo'.

[michel]

Originally Posted by ProfLogic

After his crucifixion, jesus uttered the words "My god my god why have you forsaken me", sounded like jesus admitting that he was but a man. If the self proclaimed bible god was truly jesus' father and that jesus was a god wouldn't he just say father you have forsaken me? The fact the he said this points to a strong evidence that jesus was a man that was convinced that he was a god. In the end he found out and it was too late thus he uttered these words in recognition of his failure to know that he was just a man. What's your perception?

I hope that I shan't offend anyone by writing what I believe.

To my mind, Jesus Christ, who was a son of God (which we all are, because we are his children), spent an incarnation on Earth.

During that incarnation (which set him above others, in that he was born to a Virgin - a symbol of his purity - was still born as a human. Without doubt, a human who knew what his 'path' was to be; by that, I mean that he was aware of what he needed to accomplish in his life, but quite possibly did not know the details.

As we humans have, Jesus Christ had a soul from which he could not 'access' memories prior to his birth.

Therefore, it is my belief that he did not know the details of his death; only the purpose for which he was here, on Earth - just as some of us believe we know our purpose. I guess, when it came to the time, the realisation of what God expected of him was so staggering that he urttered those words.

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by AllisonW70

I must admit that there was a time when I struggled with the exact same question. I questioned this until I came to understand the true meaning behind the crucifixion in the first place. On the cross, Jesus took the burden of our sin upon Himself. He was and is the sacrifice. That is what He came to do. We, as humans, fall short of God's glory every day. On the cross, Jesus paid the fine for our debt. My understanding is that as He took the sin of all humanity upon Himself, He became the living testament of what sin does: separates us from God. .

But how can God seperate from Himself? To some, Jesus is God. Although Jesus never said he was God, some people believe he was. So how can God leave Himself? How can God be weak?
Apparantly God says that He put a man in Jesus' image on the cross, and raised Jesus to safety before it happened. God claims that the ones who plotted against Jesus could not keep their plot secret from God, and then God planned also... and God is the best of planners.
So let's say that it was a man in Jesus' image that God placed on the cross. Would it make more sense for someone who was put in this scenario to ask "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"... I think it makes a lot more sense... especially because hadith says it was an enemy of Jesus who he placed on the cross, and an enemy of Jesus was more than likely sure that he was following the right path... hence "Why have you forsaken me?"
I think it makes sense, but I'm sure many will disagree... which is fine and dandy. What do you guys think?

[Genna]

Originally Posted by ProfLogic

The fact the he said this points to a strong evidence that jesus was a man that was convinced that he was a god.

I don't understand? what do you mean "a" god? I thought there was only one true God according to Christianity and all others are false? If Jesus was "a" god, than either there is more than one God or he is a false god! I think it is safe to say that he was just a holy man, nothing more, nothing less!

[sparkyluv]

Jesus had taken all the sin of the world on himself and when one is full of sin (or even one sin) they are seperated from God. In that moment, God had seperated himself from Jesus (forsaken him).

Jesus was a man. He was fully God and fully man. He had to be fully man in order to die on the cross.