So You Believe Everything In The Bible? (moral, Leviticus, Deuteronomy)

[meogi]

Originally Posted by Jose Dillano

This attitude, long before man came out of the garden of eden, has been man's attempt to free himself of God's intervention to our affairs. Man was given the power to decide what to do.

Long before? I thought Adam was quite content being in the garden, perfect and all, with Eve and god. Eve was the one who seemed to screw that up. God knew that was gonna happen right?

Originally Posted by Jose Dillano

God love us so much that he gave us the choice.

So you're saying there's a choice?

Originally Posted by Jose Dillano

Now is the Bible conflicting itself or not? No, from the very beginning a divine plan has already been conceived. From the very beginning God already have the plan to send Jesus Christ to this Earth.

So you're saying we don't have a choice, god knows whats we're gonna do? What of the flood? He ment to just whipe out mankind first, before sending himself (as jesus) down to us? Why? Why not try to save them as well?

Originally Posted by Nicky_uk

The letter killeth but the Spirit gives it life! 2 Cor 3:6

In other words, in order to understand what you read in the Bible, you need to interpretation of the Holy Spirit, or, the revelation of the understanding from the Holy Spirit, otherwise, you will wrap yourself up so much, you will not only confuse yourself, but everyone else.

Holy circular argument, batman!

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by true blood

You posted alot of Old Testament laws that pertained only to the tribes of Israel and those laws, for Israel, terminated upon the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

What an strange piece of self-serving religious confection this is:

1. Sure JHWH was a vicious, mean-spirited, racist, chauvinist, vindictive, sociopathic tyrant, but it's OK because that was way back then and only against the Jews. (Others, like the Midianites, were simply eliminated - except for the virgins of course.)
2. But all this stopped with Jesus. I know this is true because someone said so in a story written decades later.

Once again we see the naive fruits of the anti-Judaic replacement theology of the early Gentile Christian mission.

[DrM]

Originally Posted by true blood

Please. Who would Jesus bomb? The Jesus Christ in the bible wouldn't bomb anybody, so yes I question your understanding of the scriptures. You posted alot of Old Testament laws that pertained only to the tribes of Israel and those laws, for Israel, terminated upon the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Sorry my avatar upsets you but it did get your attention. The point is well taken. You're right, He wouldn't bomb anyone. We have Christians in this nation begging for more death and destruction in the middle east to eradicate the kinds of people who disagree with us phlisophically and religeously. Aren't there other ways than bombing to have people respond? None of which would have died or been maimed if UN inspectors were allowed to finish their jobs. (I am referring to Iraqi citizens, not terrorists.)

Actually I didn't post a lot of OT laws, just a couple. I have many more I will share. But, by the same token, what's your point? If one passage declares a certain thing is going to happen and it doesn't, where does that leave us? Inconsistencies are inconsistencies.

Now, what is it in particular you question about my understanding of the scriptures?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by DrM

Actually I didn't post a lot of OT laws, just a couple.

Perhaps that is because the source you plagiarized - Selective Principles - was relatively brief. This is the second time that I've seen you apparently steal someone elses words, and I really find it disturbing.

[Nicky_uk]

Holy circular argument, batman!

Flip me, there ain't half some attitude going around....

and you are???? tsk

[true blood]

What is up with all this hostility towards a faith? You say "Christians" in this nation want more death and destruction is a pathetic statement. This whole label with the word "christians" is what bothers me. Tell me sir biblical scholar, would a true believer who claims Jesus Christ as his Lord then desire any type of death and destruction? No. I find it hard to believe after 16 UN resolutions that the leaders of Iraq would suddenly give in to UN demands as you fathom. Are you suggesting a 17th, 18th or 19th resolution would of been any different? Saddam is the one who invaded Kuwait in the first place. He sought a peace deal. We gave it to him, however he didn't live up to his side of the bargin. IMO, there shouldn't of even been a 2nd UN resolution.

[DrM]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Perhaps that is because the source you plagiarized - Selective Principles - was relatively brief. This is the second time that I've seen you apparently steal someone elses words, and I really find it disturbing.

First of all, I never saw this sight and I've never used anything from it. I had this information on my computer from some time ago, I don't recall the source. I thought I had explained your plagiarized remark once before.

I presume your debating rests in reading something you violently disagree with then begin a google search to see if you can find the source. It would be much more resourceful and useful if you would debate the subject at hand rather than explore the possibilities of finding a source which may or may not be valid. The first one you saw was correct, which I explained.

I'm fairly sure from this point that you are going to be doing a lot of googling to see where my information comes from. There's an old saying, First time shame on you; 2nd time shame on me.

By your reaction to what I have written for debate on this religious forum and your method of attacking, I think you might have been disturbed long before I got here.

[Jaymes]

Originally Posted by true blood

What is up with all this hostility towards a faith? You say "Christians" in this nation want more death and destruction is a pathetic statement. This whole label with the word "christians" is what bothers me. Tell me sir biblical scholar, would a true believer who claims Jesus Christ as his Lord then desire any type of death and destruction? No.

You know, the 'They're not true Christians!' argument bothers me so much. People seem to use it as an excuse for whenever someone of the same faith disagrees with them.

'They're for gay marriage! They're not true Christians!'

'They don't think the Pope speaks with God! They're not ture Christians!'

'They don't think everything in the Bible is literal! They're not true Christians!'

Acknowledge that there are some nutcases in your religious group, good lord.

[DrM]

Originally Posted by true blood

What is up with all this hostility towards a faith? You say "Christians" in this nation want more death and destruction is a pathetic statement. This whole label with the word "christians" is what bothers me.

Sorry, I was just going by what our Christian president has and is doing. And, about the avatar. . . . .I'll be changing it soon.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Jensa

Acknowledge that there are some nutcases in your religious group, good lord

There are some nutcases in my religious group.

Scott