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Thanks for putting that in perspective! I have seen that letter before and all it does is make fun of God's intention for His people. That's what comes from just quoting scripture passages out of context and not taking into account the reason these things were set down in fisrt place. It's such a shame that people take such delight in distorting God's word and intention.
You are quite welcome. Just one thing: just remember that all who "distort" God's word do not do so with malice. There are several wonderful posters (linwood for example) here who ask honest questions and look for answers like we all do.
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Old 09-23-2004, 05:06 PM
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What do some use Leviticus against others, yet they do not follow all the rules and laws in Leviticus themselves? I've yet to understand this...
I`m still unsure...I dunno.

Ok I`ve been re-reading Leviticus the past couple of days and overall it sounds like a pretty educational rule book for Biblical times.

Like how to deal with leprosy and how to make sure fruit trees are properly fertilized and things like that.

I cannot agree with chapter 18 however, I just like nakedness too much.


Now please speak to me like I`m a 5 year old (I`m sure nobody will have trouble with that)

The way Mr.Emu defines it is that those rules which have punishment involved or "Moral" codes and those that have no punishment involved are "Ceremonial" codes.

Is this right?
Yes..No?

Am I waaaaay off base again?
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No, there are morals and laws

A moral is stealing is wrong, or man lieing with man is wrong.

Laws are you goto jail for stealing, or you die for lieing with another man.

If there were no law against stealing, it would still be wrong. The biblical law for killing homosexuals is gone, the moral remains.
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If there were no law against stealing, it would still be wrong. The biblical law for killing homosexuals is gone, the moral remains.
Ok..I`m not even talking about the homosexual debate here..yet.
However since you mention it if the Biblical law against homosexuals is gone what is the justification for making a national law against homosexuals?

Anyway, to the point...
I`m still not understanding how a Christian determines which laws in Leviticus he/she must abide by and which he/she no longer needs to abide by.

Here`s an example....

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And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
I`m really not trying to be dense here but what is the difference between these two verses as far as Christians are concerned?

Why is it acceptable for a believer to eat shellfish but not copulate with the same sex?

By what standard do you deem one still applicable and the other not applicable?
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moral: positive and promtes good welfare of all.
immoral: negative, harms.
amoral: no sense of right or wrong
Nonmoral: neither moral or immoral.

i would classify all sexuality under nonmoral. adultry should never be confused with homosexuality.


not all laws or moral. no matter how much the nazis made laws and justified that jews were inhuman and should be killed, does not make it moral.

"Why is it acceptable for a believer to eat shellfish but not copulate with the same sex?"
because the church (through what some believe divine inspiration) got rid of all diatary and other simple laws. but homosexuality remains...why? catholics are dogmatic, instead of listening to jesus, they listen to the church. only until vatican two were they actual able to read the bible. does jesus say anything against homosexuality? no.
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because the church (through what some believe divine inspiration) got rid of all diatary and other simple laws. but homosexuality remains...why? catholics are dogmatic, instead of listening to jesus, they listen to the church. only until vatican two were they actual able to read the bible. does jesus say anything against homosexuality? no.

That`s what I believe as well Gerani but there are Christians who claim their is a standard as to which laws they follow and which they don`t.

With the explaination that some are "Moral" and some are "Ceremonial"

I`m assuming that there is some standard by which to measure which is which otherwise it is just picking and choosing and dogma.

It doesn`t seem like many Christians can answer my question though.


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And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Why is it acceptable for a believer to eat shellfish but not copulate with the same sex?

By what standard do you deem one still applicable and the other not applicable?

Again I do see that you`re trying to show me why there is a distinction made but I`m still not seeing any standard for seperating the two types of laws.

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i would classify all sexuality under nonmoral
Pederasty? Insest?
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I just re-read this whole thread paying close to Emus and scotts explainations.

If I am understanding correctly then all they laws still apply as a moral standard yet Christians no longer punish people for committing them.

yes..no?
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I can't explain it any better than I have already:

While the Old Testament’s ceremonial requirements are no longer binding, its moral requirements are. God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures.
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"Pederasty? Insest?"

live giving? love bonding?

sex can be both bad and good, its all up to the practicioners. homosexuality in itself aint bad. its a thing. it cant be bad nor good. its an expression of love, sex that is. sex can also be used for money.

"God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures"

you are aware that homosexulity exists in all cultures rite? and you are aware that because of fear and homophobia, many people despised it and began saying that God is against it. this is completly untrue, God is beyond sexuality, God is a form of love, and homosexuality is an expression of it, just as heterosexuality is.

about leviticus, i think the dude who wrote it must have been in error. i dunno.