Does the bible contain false doctrine? (tradition, translation, faith, Biblical)

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by mehrosh

No doubt Bible is from God, but there are human changes in it, the prove of human changes in the Old Testements...Jeremiah 8:8 in which it says, "how can you we are wise, when we have the law of the Lord, when the LYING pen of the scribes have handled it falsly". Many of the errors are in the translation, for example "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . .and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. . ." the word was with God and then the word was God...that means GOD WAS WITH GOD? no...If we go back to the Greek text we see that there are different words used for the first God and the second...god...do I make sense? refer the Greek text. Further, if we analize, there are many scientific errors in the Bible, now do they come from humans, or God.....ofcourse God can't make scientific errors......The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline — "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" My message to my Christian brothers is that...ok we know that Bible is from God, and It teaches you to be good, it was given to Jesus PBUH, and the Final testements were given to Muhammed the last prophet and God blessed mankind with Quran after Gospel. "Quran" is not a book it is actually "alive" today in the hearts of over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims around the world. This is a real miracle. There is no other book like it. No book can compare to it and no other major religion today has their original preserved in the original language by so many followers of the religion.... Over NINE MILLION Muslims Memorized the Entire Quran. 9,000,000 + Muslims living today have memorized the entire Quran in the original Arabic language. But surprisingly over 75% of all Muslims are not Arab. In fact, the largest number of Muslims today are in Indonesia.And did you know? That every Muslim in the world, over 1.5 billion have all memorized some of the Quran and each of them desires to memorize it entirely?The Quran states pharaoh was drowned in the Red Sea while chasing after Moses and Allah said He would preserve Pharaoh as a sign for the future. Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book, "Bible, Quran and Science" makes it clear this has happened and the very person of Pharaoh has been discovered in Egypt and is now on display for all to see.This event took place thousands of years before Muhammad, peace be upon him, and it came true in the last few decades, many centuries after his death.No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Qur'an describes Jesus' birth as follows: .................................................. "Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [3:42-47]Muhammad and Jesus, as well as the other prophets, were sent to confirm the belief in one God. This is referred to in the Qur'an where Jesus is reported as saying that he came: "To attest the law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." [3:50]Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying: "Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. [Bukhari]

In what way is any of this "proof" that the Bible contains false doctrine? Why are you using a far right-wing and radical publication like "Awake" to prove your point? What does Muslim faith have to do with Biblical doctrine? Is there a point here, or are you just plugging Islam? "No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does?" What are you talking about? Christianity is the faith that acknowledges Jesus' divinity.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by mehrosh

Brother I see the positive side of the Bible you have quoted, ...It was published in the Plain Truth October 1977//////Reading Bible stories to children can also open up all sorts of opportunities to discuss the morality of sex. There are verses in the Bible like When Judah sees her, he thinks she is a harlot because she has covered her face. He comes up to her and proposes — "ALLOW ME TO COME IN UNTO THEE; AND SHE SAID WHAT WILT THOU GIVE ME, THAT THOU MAYEST COME IN UNTO ME?" He promises that he would send her a goat kid from his flock. What guarantee could she have that he would send it? What guarantee did she require, Judah queried. "His ring, his bracelet and his staff" is the ready answer. The old man hands these possessions to her, and "CAME IN UNTO HER, AND SHE CONCEIVED BY HIM." (Genesis 38:16-18). Three months later, as things were bound to turn out, news reached Judah that his daughter-in-law, Tamar, had played the "harlot" and that she was with "CHILD BY WHOREDOM AND JUDAH SAID, BRING HER FORTH, AND LET HER BE BURNT." (Genesis 38:24)DAUGHTERS SEDUCE THEIR FATHER.....Read Genesis 19, verses 30 to the end....such lessons of immoral actions in the Bible cannot be from God, rather seems that some human hands were at work....Regards,

You seem to have an odd idea of where scripture came from. Humans did write the scriptures, and they did so from their own perspective of time, place and culture. We know this, we understand this, and we make allowances for this in our interpretations.

[robtex]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

I will vote "other." The Bible is a collection of faithful representations of the groups that it represents.

I voted other also. The bible is a doctrine of faith. It is more a measure of belief and non-belief than correct and false. A cornerstone to the Christian religion is belief in things that are rationally thought of as impossible. Hence the term miracles.

[mehrosh]

Originally Posted by sojourner

In what way is any of this "proof" that the Bible contains false doctrine? Why are you using a far right-wing and radical publication like "Awake" to prove your point? What does Muslim faith have to do with Biblical doctrine? Is there a point here, or are you just plugging Islam? "No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does?" What are you talking about? Christianity is the faith that acknowledges Jesus' divinity.

Please calm down....am not here to fight brother.....I am not saying that...you need to look into the Bible yourself.....Muslim faith has nothing to do with the Present corrupted Bible...which has been changed...but let me Inform you that Muslims Believe in the Gospel of Jesus....the Muslim's faith isn't complete without the Belief in Jesus. We love him and he was a Prophet send to the Children of Israel, I am not plugging Islam here...but talking about the same message bought by Moses "THE LORD, OUR GOD IS ONE" [Deut6:4] and Jesus " The Lord, Our God, is One" [Mark 12:29] and Muhammed "Say; He is God, the One and Only" [Ikhlas 1] Christianity acknowledges Jesus's divinity when he never said that "worship me I am God..." I know that Christians call him God out of love and respect just like Adam is the son of God, Luke[3:38] - Suleiman is the son of God, Samuel[7:13-14] - Jacob is the son of God, Exodus[4:22] - Ephraim is God's firstborn, Jeremiah[31:9] - Other people are 'Sons of God', Job[38:7] ...Muslims call him a prophet of God out of Love and respect...

[mehrosh]

Originally Posted by sojourner

You seem to have an odd idea of where scripture came from. Humans did write the scriptures, and they did so from their own perspective of time, place and culture. We know this, we understand this, and we make allowances for this in our interpretations.

Exactly...thats what I am saying....I clarified...I as a Muslim cannot deny the Gospel of Jesus is from God...but as you said that there are human hands working.....as the Quran said....and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.....so brother as an invitation I would like you to go through the Quran....kindly consider my request....Thanks in advance

[Ernestine]

When the dead sea scrolls were discovered in the 1950s, to everyone's amazement, experts found very few differences (and none contextual) between the Bible that we are using today and that which was used then. The Bible is the word of GOD transmitted to man by God. If you familiarize yourself with the Bible you will clearly see that the Hebrew and Greek scriptures are in harmony with themselves and with each other. God's word is truth and there can be no deception with him. God cannot lie!!

[Ori]

Originally Posted by Ernestine

When the dead sea scrolls were discovered in the 1950s, to everyone's amazement, experts found very few differences (and none contextual) between the Bible that we are using today and that which was used then. The Bible is the word of GOD transmitted to man by God. If you familiarize yourself with the Bible you will clearly see that the Hebrew and Greek scriptures are in harmony with themselves and with each other. God's word is truth and there can be no deception with him. God cannot lie!!

God cannot lie? Thats debateable, but God certainly contradicts his own rules...

Thou shalt not kill, hmmm, then what about "If anyone takes the life of a human being, he must be put to death" ( Levi 24: 17)