Is the bible (Old Testament) a collection of someones fables? (punishment, Earth)

[GodLovesUs]

Does anybody know which books where written first in the bible? At least in the old testament.

[michel]

Originally Posted by jewscout

The Torah (the first five books of the Christian OT) can not be seen as strictly or primarily as a historical text, but rather, a charter for how mankind is supposed to act in relation to G-d and each other.
(this is a summary of the opening commentary in the Stone Edition Chumash which i feel reflects my own opinion of the Torah)

That's the way I tend to see it.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by GodLovesUs

Does anybody know which books where written first in the bible? At least in the old testament.

http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm

[GodLovesUs]

Originally Posted by mormonman

Of course there are some mistranlations in the OT, but for the most part the King James Version is a good translation. They focused on that region because they were the people w/ the gospel. Why waste ink on pagans? How else would Noah repopulated the Earth, the same way Adam did.

The way I was thought when I was growing up was to believe everything in the bible. Now that I am older (maybe wiser) then there are things that do not make sense. The transaltaions themselves might have placed the wrong meanings. There are things that the bible allowed before but religions now are condeming like the how adam and noah repopulated the earth, we can not do the same method (the "I" word). Why do we have to have chosen people on this earth. Everyone is equal I say.


If you talk to a priest they take offense (one sided conversation) if you question things in the Bible so its hard to have an intelligent conversation. This forum seems to have a mixture which makes it very interesting.

[GodLovesUs]

Originally Posted by Deut 13:1

http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm

Thanks, maybe it might clear things a bit for me.

[dawny0826]

Originally Posted by mormonman

If the Old Testament is false, then the New Testament is also. The OT is the basis for the things that occured in the NT. If the OT is false than Christianity and Judism are also false. I can assure you that the OT is the word of God, given through prophets.

I agree.

You can pick apart and doubt all you want...and give Satan a pat on the back while you're at it...because if you do...he's obviously done his job very well...

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by dawny0826

I agree.

You can pick apart and doubt all you want...and give Satan a pat on the back while you're at it...because if you do...he's obviously done his job very well...

I admire your conviction Dawny, frubals to you.

I love the OT, i've just started re-reading it properly, like a novel. Before i just picked a bit at random and read.
It is a good story book, but that's all i personally believe it to be. I think the evidence of it being a collection of fables is also quite clear from just reading it.
For example, while in Egypt Abram pretends his wife Sariah is his sister (which she actually is, funnily enough) so that people won't kill him to take her. The king of Egypt marries her and God gets ****** off and orders the king to release her back to Abram.

Then later on, after Abram and Sariah change their names to Abraham and Sarah, the exact same story is retold, with one minor difference - its a different king.
The same can be seen in Genesis 1 compared with 2. Its a good collection of myths, its just a shame that noone bothered to properly edit it.

[GodLovesUs]

Originally Posted by dawny0826

I agree.

You can pick apart and doubt all you want...and give Satan a pat on the back while you're at it...because if you do...he's obviously done his job very well...

Respectfully, that would be the same comment as what my priest would tell me but if we follow what the Bible stated in Genesis, does this mean having a relationship with an immediate relative is acceptable since according to the Bible God allowed this to adam and noah? It also showed favoritism to a particular region on earth and the family tree was even mentioned, that to me sounds a fairly arrogant view of someone's family line so that no one will question their authority or dominance over another race/tribe. Also as I noted before when God punished all the earth during Noah's times, why not the fishes in the Ocean? Again this is just for discussion and I am not questioning if there is a God, its just what is the bible. I truly can say that if today a well respected person tells me he wrote scriptures and that this is from God, I would first be suspicious that he/she was mad, then question his intentions, etc. Well again I do not want to Judge because that is God's role. The question I would ask myself, is if the events in the bible started happening to me should I believe that it is God?

Can you elaborate why you whole heartly believe if someone questions the bible which was translated and written by men is the act of satan?

[mormonman]

Originally Posted by Deut 13:1

Why is the KJV a good translation?

Because the KJV is the closest translation to the Joseph Smith Translation, and the KJV is the tranlation that the LDS Church uses. Considering that my religion is the only true religion and we use the KJV that would probably mean that the KJV is the most correct translation.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by mormonman

Because the KJV is the closest translation to the Joseph Smith Translation, and the KJV is the tranlation that the LDS Church uses. Considering that my religion is the only true religion and we use the KJV that would probably mean that the KJV is the most correct translation.

And on what basis do you say that the Mr. Smith Translation is the most accurate? Please state where you earned your degree and how decent your Hebrew/Greek/Arabic are. Thanks in advance.