Deuteronomy 18:18 (Jesus Christ, Moses, Torah, Pentateuch, Jehovah)

[Yasin]

Let me start with,
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that i shall command him.
(Deut 18:18)

This prophecy appears to be speaking about a prophet to come, after Moses (pbuh), most people i have asked as to who this prophet is? Those of Christian faith, automatically answer "Jesus" (pbuh), but i would say this is not the case.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Respectively to all, Yasin

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

I assume you are referring to Muhammed. Don't Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a prophet tho? My understanding is that Jesus was acknowledged and that Muhammed is his successor and the last in the line of prophets.

Deut.18:18 didn't really tell us much, why don't you tell us why you think it is reference to Muhammed rather than Jesus?

As for my own personal opinion, I don't see how this verse predicts anyone or anything in particular. I hold that when someone predicts a superbowl champion 2 years in advance and gives the score, then I will think they are making a prophesy.

Saying there will be a leader rising in the future, or that there is going to be a war in the future is not a prophesy. It is as predictable as the Sunrise.

B.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Yasin

Let me start with,
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that i shall command him.
(Deut 18:18)

This prophecy appears to be speaking about a prophet to come, after Moses (pbuh), most people i have asked as to who this prophet is? Those of Christian faith, automatically answer "Jesus" (pbuh), but i would say this is not the case.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Respectively to all, Yasin

Why must this speak of one person? It's in the Torah, law, all it's doing is telling you what will happen after Moses.

[gnostic]

I had a very long debate at islam.com, and no Muslims there can give me a convincing argument, just a propaganda to promote their prophet. But to forestall any more argument from Yasin that I am biased and in favor of Christianity, I don't believe this passage is talking about Jesus too.

Both Jesus and Muhammad are not the one, Moses are referring to.

Muslims tends to ignore the earlier passages in Deuteronomy 18:15, where Moses was addressing his people, telling them:

Originally Posted by from the Good News Bible

Instead I will send you a prophet like me from among your own people, and you are to obey him.

Or

Originally Posted by King James' version

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Do you think it is logical to talk to address the current audience, ie fellow Israelites, as "brethren" or "own people", and still talk about Muhamad? I hardly think so. Like the other Muslims, I think Yasin is taking the passage out of context, when they speak of verse 18, but ignore completely verse 15. There were no Ishmaelites or Muslims present at that gathering; there were no one there but Israelites. So the brethrens or own people can on mean Israelites. So a prophet would be chosen among them. It said nothing about some distant future, like Jesus or worse, Muhammad, because he doesn't fit the description of an Israelite.

The prophet he is referring to, is more than likely to be Joshua, who would lead them into Canaan, and ending their exile.

I've heard other silly assumptions and assertions, here and there, within the book of Isaiah too. Again, they take a small passage, and then say this mean "Muhammad" instead of reading the whole chapters. When you read the whole chapters, you will see he is not talking about any Arab at all.

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by Yasin

This prophecy appears to be speaking about a prophet to come, after Moses (pbuh), most people i have asked as to who this prophet is? Those of Christian faith, automatically answer "Jesus" (pbuh), but i would say this is not the case.

No we don't. I don't automatically answer 'Jesus' at all, because He wasn't a prophet, but rather the Son of God. I think most Christians would agree with me. I'm not sure which prophet is being foretold in that verse but if it really has to be (and I see absolutely no reason why you should think it does) one that appears so much later, then I would have to plump for John the Baptist. We consider him to be a prophet, but not Christ. One thing I'm fairly sure of, though, is that it's very unlikely to refer to Muhammed. Why do you think it does?

James

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Its me........we're all gonna die!

[may]

The apostle Peter applied this prophecy to Jesus Christ when he stated: "Moses said, Jehovah God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him according to all the things he speaks to you.’" (Acts 3:22) In fact, Jesus himself had stated: "If you believed Moses you would believe me, for that one wrote about me." (John 5:46)

[Yasin]

Originally Posted by gnostic

I had a very long debate at islam.com, and no Muslims there can give me a convincing argument, just a propaganda to promote their prophet. But to forestall any more argument from Yasin that I am biased and in favor of Christianity, I don't believe this passage is talking about Jesus too.

Both Jesus and Muhammad are not the one, Moses are referring to.

Muslims tends to ignore the earlier passages in Deuteronomy 18:15, where Moses was addressing his people, telling them:


Or


Do you think it is logical to talk to address the current audience, ie fellow Israelites, as "brethren" or "own people", and still talk about Muhamad? I hardly think so. Like the other Muslims, I think Yasin is taking the passage out of context, when they speak of verse 18, but ignore completely verse 15. There were no Ishmaelites or Muslims present at that gathering; there were no one there but Israelites. So the brethrens or own people can on mean Israelites. So a prophet would be chosen among them. It said nothing about some distant future, like Jesus or worse, Muhammad, because he doesn't fit the description of an Israelite.

The prophet he is referring to, is more than likely to be Joshua, who would lead them into Canaan, and ending their exile.

I've heard other silly assumptions and assertions, here and there, within the book of Isaiah too. Again, they take a small passage, and then say this mean "Muhammad" instead of reading the whole chapters. When you read the whole chapters, you will see he is not talking about any Arab at all.

I think, first of all, we should understand that Islam is the only none christian faith, which makes it a article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh), no Muslim is a Muslim unless he/she believes in him. You see Prophet Abrahim (pbuh) had two offsprings the first being ishmael (pbuh) (Genesis 16:15) and the second Isaac (pbuh). Ishmael (pbuh) became the father of the Arab nation and Isaac (pbuh) became the fatherof the Jewish nation, so they are Brethren.
...from among their brethren...
So if God was speaking to Moses (pbuh), this is addressed to the Jews and therefore, from among their brethren, who are the Arabs. Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) came from the same lineage as Ishmael (pbuh), and thus was the Prophet that was spoken of in the prophecy. After your response, i would like to elaborate further.

Respectively, Yasin

[gnostic]

That's what I call "sophistry" arugment.

What is the cornerstone of the belief of the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews? Apart from the God and apart from the laws (Torah) being available to them, I mean. Their "cornerstone" is God's convenant to Abraham, Issac and Jacob that their descendants would have the land of the Canaans as their home. The whole purpose of the Genesis and the Exodus was to bring the Israelites, not the Ishmaelites, out of slavery in Egypt and into their new home in Canaan. Unfortunately, Moses briefly broke words to God so he and the Israelites were left to wander deserts outside of Canaan for 40 years. This is to weed out the generation that were worthy to live in Canaan. So which prophet would lead the Israelites into Canaan.

There are no Ishmaelites "among them" who served as slaves in Egypt, no Ishmaelites to share their wanderings in the deserts, and by Moses time, the Ishmaelites were idol worshippers.

And Moses did say to the Israelites that the prophets would be chosen "among them" who are now presence. Joshua was among them, the one who was to lead them into Canaan.

You forget that God made the same convenant with Issac and Jacob; not just to Abraham, and there were no such convenant to Ishmael.

Moses said to the Israelites before him (in Deut. 18:15) that a prophet would be raise up "from among your own people, like myself". Moses is a Israelite, not an Ishmaelite.

Here is the whole verse from 15-19.

Originally Posted by from JPS translation

15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet from among your own people, like myself; him yoou shall heed. 16 This just what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb, on the day of the Assembly, saying, "Let me not hear the voice of the Lord my God any longer or see this wondrous fire any more, lest I die." 17 Whereupon the Lord said to me, "They have done well in speaking thus. 18 I will raise up a prophet for them from among their own people, like yourself: I will put My words in his mouth and he will speak to them all that I command him; 19 and if anybody fails to heed the words he speaks in My name, I myself will him to account...."

Notice what was said at the meeting at Horeb, which is Mt Sinai (verse 17) - the people said that so God said (in verse 16) "they have done well speaking thus", and it was not the Ishmaelites at Horeb what is.

Clearly, you are taking the whole verse 18:18 out of context, without taking into consideration what is said in verse 16 and 17. Read the whole verses and chapters, Yasin. Also you must remember that the Israelites have not reach Canaan yet, so a new prophet need to be raised, once Moses is gone. A prophet was require soon to lead them, not almost 2000 years later.

Did Muhammad lead the Israelites or Jews in his time? No. He butchered a whole lot of them.

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Yasin,

If Muslims acknowledge Jews as "brethren" then why do so many Muslim leaders call for their extermination? Why all the animosity toward those you consider brothers?


B.