The Perpetual Virginity of Mary (Jesus, crucifixion, blood, disciple) - Page 3

jeffrey · #21 01-18-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nutshell

Nuns and priests are married to a member of the opposite sex. Mary was.

To be pregnant and not married could have meant death to her, and if nothing else, 'shunned'

I really don't think God would have put her through that.

opensoul7 · #22 01-18-2006, 04:29 PM

Mark 3:31-35,Acts1:12-14 , the most direct verse is matthew 13:55-56 "Is this not the carpenters son? Is not his mother called mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? and are not all his sisters with us ? Where then did this man get all this ?" Aldephoi (brothers) and aldelphi (sisters) original Greek. The context strongly suggests children of the same mom.

Victor · #23 01-18-2006, 04:38 PM

open soul, how do you say "step-brother" in Greek? How do you say brother in Aramaic?

ChrisBianchi · #24 01-18-2006, 05:34 PM

I'm seeing a lot of responders mentioning Jesus' possible brothers and sisters - which may or may not have been blood relatives of the same maternal line - but I have yet to see someone show a verse that describes that Mary remained a virgin. Though traditional, it would appear that Mary's perpetual virginity is merely an assumed guess on behalf of the Catholic Church.

Victor · #25 01-18-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBianchi

I'm seeing a lot of responders mentioning Jesus' possible brothers and sisters - which may or may not have been blood relatives of the same maternal line - but I have yet to see someone show a verse that describes that Mary remained a virgin. Though traditional, it would appear that Mary's perpetual virginity is merely an assumed guess on behalf of the Catholic Church.

I wonder if you even bothered to look at my links in my first post. I will assume you didn't see them. It's far from an assumption when you have most of Christendom in history agreeing with you. If anything, I think it's you making an unwarranted assumption.

~Victor

Evenstar · #26 01-18-2006, 05:57 PM

To be honest, none of us truely know.

So we are all assuming things, we dont have a clue about.

Not one of us know her personally.... or maybe I have missed out on something lol.

Katzpur · #27 01-18-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffrey

There are nuns today that feel they are 'married to God' that go their entire life without sex. Their are Priests that go their entire life without sex.

There are lots of Mormons who go their entire lives without sex, too. But I think it's reasonable to assume that if a man and woman are married, they're going to have sex. Why would they not have sex is perhaps a better question.

Victor · #28 01-18-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

There are lots of Mormons who go their entire lives without sex, too. But I think it's reasonable to assume that if a man and woman are married, they're going to have sex. Why would they not have sex is perhaps a better question.

There was nothing normal about the Holy Family Katzpur. Their situation was unique and special. I hope you can at least agree with this.

~Victor

Katzpur · #29 01-18-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

There was nothing normal about the Holy Family Katzpur. Their situation was unique and special. I hope you can at least agree with this.

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~Victor

Of course I can, Victor. I just think that there would be some Biblical evidence to support the notion of Mary's perpetual virginity if it were, in fact, true doctrine. My question is really nothing more than "What purpose would her perpetual virgininty have accomplished?'

ChrisBianchi · #30 01-18-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Aside from the mass amount of historical writings that records how most Christians understood Mary's perpetual virginity and the various verses we use it will not deviate others from holding to their interpretations. Since catholics are not bound to the Bible Alone, it does not matter if it's in the Bible or not to us. We believe things that are not in the Bible.

~Victor

I've gone back and re-read these, and there are no verses on the page that you offered that that specify Mary's perpetual virginity.

Due to lack of consistent translation, I'm forced to limit regard for the Old Testament documents and prophecies. However, I will mention this. With regards to Ezekiel's prophecy, this could simply indicate that Mary would be rendered sterile post Jesus' birth or may be a mistranslation or misunderstanding to modern language altogether.

Mark 6:3 has been over-specified to define siblings. In addition to the use of the word "brothers", a connotation between "a" and "the" can merely be a translational difference, so that cannot be considered evidence or proof.

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Originally Posted by Luke 1:31-34 NIV

You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am

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