Did Christ appear to other nations? (Jesus, Moses, Earth, Messiah)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

Love ya anyway!

Thanks, Joe. I'm truly touched. Your love just overwhelms me.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I would point out that the quoted text does not mention Jesus at all. You are inserting your own contention with no support or argument. God made the universe. Not Jesus.

Regards,
Scott

Say what???

1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(King James Bible, Colossians)

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

This clearly teaches that Jesus made everything, He was the Light that came into the world. He was in the beginning with God, He is the word, 'and God SAID...'

Scott, Every Christian, Bible-believing theologian would strongly disagree with you here, and I do too.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Thanks, Joe. I'm truly touched. Your love just overwhelms me.

Ok, I know you are being sarcastic, but I do love you in Christian love, I am not here to be mean, but to shed light and to learn. Believe it or not, I AM learning things. Anyway, I am not a monster, I promise. And I promise to pray for you and pray that you will pray for me, cuz I need prayer. I know you don't like my cutting and pasting, I will try to shorten it at least. I will listen to you and respond as best as I know how. You all are very precious to me, even if we disagree on some stuff, I suppose we all will as humans. I appreciate you and your devotion to this site and to your church. God bless you, and I really mean that.

In Christian Love, (the best I know how)

Michael

P.S. What about my question in that post before the one you quoted from? I would like to hear your thoughts. (honestly)This is the post:

The Bible says, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." (Isaiah 43:10) "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6) In simple terms God says there are no other gods.

How do you explain this verse? there was no God before God, nor any after him, He is the first and last and beside me there is no God? If he was once a man that attained Godhood through his own efforts, then there was a God or Gods and universes before him. This contradicts the Bible. God is God, he has always been, he has never changed, he is all knowing, all present, and He is the only God there is anywhere. He (Jesus) made the universe. He made the sun, moon, and stars on the 4th day. God is God and there are no other Gods. None before, none after. This is the Bible truth. Why change it? Why? Why don't you see the error here??? And again I ask this with my own typing fingers.
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Jesus loves you!

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

Say what???

1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(King James Bible, Colossians).

We've discussed the Gospel of John before, so I won't bother again.

Let's look at this and apply the rules of English grammar.
". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, . . ."

God is the referrant for the pronoun "him" underlined above.

Regards,
Scott

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

We've discussed the Gospel of John before, so I won't bother again.

Let's look at this and apply the rules of English grammar.
". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, . . ."

God is the referrant for the pronoun "him" underlined above.

Regards,
Scott

I will agree to disagree. And I am not alone. You are misusing the rules of grammar, not me. He is talking about his 'dear Son, the image of the invisible GOd, the firstborn of every creature, for by HIM were all things created. By Jesus who is God.

John came bearing witness of the Light--Jesus, and it says He (Jesus) was in the world and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him not. Jesus/God came unto his own, he came to earth, God/'Jesus made everything.

[joeboonda]

1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,

(King James Bible, Hebrews)

Scott, here is another clear verse that God made the worlds, by his Son. Yes, God made the universe, but His Son was there too. That's why in Genesis it says let US make man in our image. Jesus was there, that is why he said 'before Abraham was, I AM.' Ok, nuf theology, have a nice evening.

Regards,

Mike

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I will agree to disagree. And I am not alone. You are misusing the rules of grammar, not me. He is talking about his 'dear Son, the image of the invisible GOd, the firstborn of every creature, for by HIM were all things created. By Jesus who is God.

John came bearing witness of the Light--Jesus, and it says He (Jesus) was in the world and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him not. Jesus/God came unto his own, he came to earth, God/'Jesus made everything.

Jesus is not the author of the Letter to the Church of Collossus. The author of the epistle was given no authority by Christ or God. His words are as fallible as yours or mine.

Regards,
Scott

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Jesus is not the author of the Letter to the Church of Collossus. The author of the epistle was given no authority by Christ or God. His words are as fallible as yours or mine.

Regards,
Scott

OK, well then we cannot debate this then. I believe the entire Bible to be God's Word, and you apparently do not. I believe the Bible when the different epistles give credence to other epistles as inspired scripture. But, lets talk about that somewhere else. Jesus himself said before Abraham was, I AM, so I believe he was there and was involved in the creation as the Bible says. But we can discuss it elsewhere, I think this is a Mormon debate thread, I don't even remember, something about the Christ appearing to other nations...shhooo, its late, and I still sick.

Peace,

Mike

[jonny]

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Joeboonda,

Why don't you just put a link to these websites and tell everyone to go and read them. We've
"discussed" most of this information plenty of times.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by jonny

From the forum rules:

20. )We will enforce our understanding of intellectual property rights. Plagarism is not allowed and material originating with another author must be identified by Title (if available), author and publisher (or web site). Keep it to a few sentences or a short paragraph or two with a cite and link to the source. It must be within the standards of Fair Use.

Joeboonda,

Why don't you just put a link to these websites and tell everyone to go and read them. We've
"discussed" most of this information plenty of times.

OK, didnt know that, most of my sources say feel free to use em. But I will comply.