Is Hell just? (punishment, reject, gospel, Mormonism, LDS)

[Of a Happy Ending]

For you Super Universe. I apologize for my seemingly harsh comments on my other post below, so I decided to start a thread discussing the concept of Hell and if it is truly just.

So...is Hell just? Would a loving God allow His children to be cast into Hell? If so, what is the purpose?

Brandon

[Arkangel]

May be he is not all the loving if he is throwing is children into fire.

[Of a Happy Ending]

Originally Posted by Arkangel

May be he is not all the loving if he is throwing is children into fire.

I asked, though, is it just. Of course God is loving, but He must also be just. That is the question at hand. If God is loving, but not just, He is not God. If God is just but not loving, He is equally as ill-balanced. If Hell is just, then it is within God's nature. If it is not, we know that Hell is not a possibility.

Brandon

[nutshell]

Hell is just in that all have free agency and will choose themselves to accept Christ and be saved or reject the gospel and suffer the consequences.

The LDS concept of hell may be unique among Christians. Most people will receive a "degree of glory." We can discuss this more if you wish, but to answer your question, the consequences are just because we choose ourselves.

[Of a Happy Ending]

Originally Posted by nutshell

Hell is just in that all have free agency and will choose themselves to accept Christ and be saved or reject the gospel and suffer the consequences.

The LDS concept of hell may be unique among Christians. Most people will receive a "degree of glory." We can discuss this more if you wish, but to answer your question, the consequences are just because we choose ourselves.

I agree totally with you on the concept of choosing Hell. We make our own decision.

The LDS position is quite intriguing to me. I had a friend who was Mormon. He kept trying to get me to convert. Great guy, but I cannot accept Mormonism personally. In any case, I would like to know more about your position on the eventual glorification of "most" of mankind.

Brandon

[Khale]

Maybe he just wants his children to be cozy. I know I have always loved a good sit by the fire. Perhaps souls just dont stay warm as easily...

Seriously though, I don't consider hell to be a just punishment, but it really isn't up to me to decide what is just outside of the world I live in right now. The way I see it even if hell is real it's not going to matter once you get there. Same goes for heaven.

[Of a Happy Ending]

Originally Posted by Khale

Maybe he just wants his children to be cozy. I know I have always loved a good sit by the fire. Perhaps souls just dont stay warm as easily...

Seriously though, I don't consider hell to be a jsut punishment, but it really isn't up to me to decide what is just outside of the world I live in right now. The way I see it even if hell is real it's not going to matter once you get there. Same goes for heaven.

What do you mean "its not going to matter once you get there?"

Brandon

[YmirGF]

I think it somewhat illusory to consider a so-called "god" to be "just".

"Just" would imply impartial fairness. I have my doubts that the folks who survived Kartrina or the Tsunami last Christmas would agree. Were all those people deserving of what happened to their lives? I can't say. Neither can anyone else.

I also have my doubts religious types would agree. It is my feeling that if one needs a Hell in order to appreciate a Heaven then it time to re-examine ones values.

Many have already condemned me to the Islamic Hellfire as well as the Christian Hell. I just hope there is enough of me to go around.

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by Of a Happy Ending

I agree totally with you on the concept of choosing Hell. We make our own decision.

The LDS position is quite intriguing to me. I had a friend who was Mormon. He kept trying to get me to convert. Great guy, but I cannot accept Mormonism personally. In any case, I would like to know more about your position on the eventual glorification of "most" of mankind.

Brandon

Jesus spoke of preparing "many mansions" and Paul teaches of the different glories, comparing them to the sun, moon, and stars. While we believe "most" will fall into one of these three categories, I think we can all agree that each glory is vastly different than the other. The sun is so bright you can't even look at it without going blind. The moon pales in comparison. Also, a star seen from earth (and not the sun) is pale compared to the moon. So, while "most" will be glorified, it definitly won't be an equal distribution.

But this is just because we choose where we will go by choosing between right and wrong.

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

I think it somewhat illusory to consider a so-called "god" to be "just".

"Just" would imply impartial fairness. I have my doubts that the folks who survived Kartrina or the Tsunami last Christmas would agree. Were all those people deserving of what happened to their lives? I can't say. Neither can anyone else.

I also have my doubts religious types would agree. It is my feeling that if one needs a Hell in order to appreciate a Heaven then it time to re-examine ones values.

Many have already condemned me to the Islamic Hellfire as well as the Christian Hell. I just hope there is enough of me to go around.

We live in a fallen world. "Impartial fairness" is not part of this world, but part of the judgement we receive. Compared to the eternal glory that awaits us, disasters such as Katrina and the Tsunami are insignificant in the big picture.