Animals, a soul, and free will (Jesus, moral, Creator, Earth)

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And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so." ~God, Genesis 1:29-30

In the above you make my point. Every living, breathing "Thing" is itself its own soul.



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Genesis 12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
In the above dialogue the "soul" of Abraham was Abraham himself. He was the one that would die or he/his soul was in danger of death. By your own admission and whch is also the admission of those who believe this doctrine...THE SOUL CANNOT DIE. Hence Abraham was denying your own belief in his saying that his soul would die.


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Genesis 27:4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.
Again in the above....The "soul" that did the actual blessing was the living breathing Issac



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Genesis 34:3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.
Shechem's "soul" loved Dinah, Jacob's daughter. Or did Shechem's "soul" only 'clave' while Shechem, separate from his "soul", 'loved' and had sex with Dinah. Or was Shechem one and the same as his soul that loved Dinah so much that he had to have sex with her and wanted her so much to be his wife that he told his father...""Get me this damselto wife"...You be the judge!

Follow the story...Hamor Shechem's father approached Jacob, Dinah's father asking for Jacob's permission to have his daughter marry his son....In Hamor's words ..."The "soul" of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her to him/his soul to wife....The same soul that longeth for Jacob's daughter was one and the same Shechem.


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Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.
Again if your "soul" cannot die; then your above quote proves my point and not yours. A "departing soul" is a living "Thing" at the point of death.

"That looks like soul to me. How about you? There were numerous more, but I decided to leave it at that. The last one is rather convincing."


And so it is!



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[Druidus]

Hold one a second, what point are you trying to prove? I'm only saying that the soul exists (according to the bible). I was under the impression that you believe the bible says there is no soul other then the body.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

animals don't have spirits(according to the 'bible')

The "Bible" only believes beings that can tythe have souls. If you can't pay, you can't get to Heaven.

[Doc]

If animals had no souls, I don't understand why God would provide for them food and housing and good lives. Not just to feed us!

[blood-lord14]

Originally Posted by Pah

In Genesis, God created the animals, The questions I’d like discussed is whether this biblical God embodied the animals with souls and if free will was given, in the same period, to the animals. And finally, is sin, as spoken of in the Bible, attributable to animals if they do not have a soul and/or free will?

-pah-

i doubt they even know what sin was until stupid adam and easy to convince eve came along.the serpent was not satan he was the first form of anti-christ satan came forth to test jesus during his life as time does it's fold that's how the anti-christ was inked onto the map of the past.free will is for man alone animals
can only balance their senses onto a self-worth of "special" attributes.
ANIMALS IF LIVED IN ADAM AND EVE'S TIME WERE SENT FORWARD INTO OUR TIME
TO EVOLVE THEN THAT IS WHAT WE MUST DO FOR OURSELVES USE GOD AS A PORTAL NOT A PERSON.don't mind me and my thoughts if you do not want to
i didn't ask you too in the first place but please yourself with my work if you really respect me,myself and yourself.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Pah

In Genesis, God created the animals, The questions I’d like discussed is whether this biblical God embodied the animals with souls and if free will was given, in the same period, to the animals. And finally, is sin, as spoken of in the Bible, attributable to animals if they do not have a soul and/or free will?

-pah-

I believe that all life is comprised of a physical body and a spirit. Together these two entities make up a soul. A human soul is, however, different from an animal soul. Human beings have been given the ability to discern good from evil, whereas animals do not have this ability. Hence, animals are incapable of sinning.

[blood-lord14]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I believe that all life is comprised of a physical body and a spirit. Together these two entities make up a soul. A human soul is, however, different from an animal soul. Human beings have been given the ability to discern good from evil, whereas animals do not have this ability. Hence, animals are incapable of sinning.

and you use a pathetic evil kitten as your symbolic counterpart...

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by blood-lord14

and you use a pathetic evil kitten as your symbolic counterpart...

Yeah, she scratches eyes out.

[RagnarGalt]

Wow, what a thread... Took a long time to look at all the references in the Bible... I would like to point out that the scripture at Isaiah 66:3-4 is in NO WAY equating the life of a man with that of a bull... That was so grossly taken out of context that it's embarrassing... The scripture is specifically referring to sacrifices that would ordinarily be acceptable to God (in fact, they were commanded by him) such as the bull and the sheep, but in this case they were wholly unacceptable due to the disgusting behaviors of those making the offerings and so were compared to offerings that would be detestable to God... The last part of the passage says that 'the one offering up gifts would be as offering up pig blood!' which in no way suggests that pig blood is equal in value to gifts for God... In fact, this Scripture speaks to the view of God as to animals and man... where we know it is destable in God's eyes for man to commit murder, he specifically commands men to sacrifice animals... God is no murderer, nor is he immoral, and therefore, animals most certainly have a lesser value and a different purpose in God's eyes...

[blood-lord14]

....and this is the reason
we have nature's timecube principle
it doesn't take too much commen sense
to realize that but it takes a cup of ignorance
to deal with soceity these days.
here's a interview,
boss is greedy
worker works for no reason
worker dies
parents of worker get the money left in the the workers bank
and the boss ends up like hugh heftner .