Animals, a soul, and free will (Jesus, moral, Creator, Earth)

[Muhhamad Abdul Salam]

Originally Posted by Orichalcum

Are you sure we really have free will?

Yes, although everything happens as Allah wills it He gave us free will to see who would join Him and who would not because if you make everyone worship you without them deciding to then how do you know their really youre ally. You know you have free will because you have the ability to make decisions on youre own with full comprehension, contemplation, emotion, and reason. For example when you wake up in the morning you have the decision to get out of bed, stay in bed, go back to sleep, stay awake in bed, etc. Should you decide to get out of bed then that was your decision/choice and even if someone else comes telling you to get out of bed and you decide to stay in then youre decision was the final factor unless they throw you out of bed (we'll discuss cause/effect later). Hence, should you go to Heaven or Hell is not the fault of someone else because youre actions made by youre decisions brought that about as did youre decision of whether or not to believe in God. An animal however does everything by instinct; a black widow spider mates, kills her mate, and then lays her eggs inside the male so her offspring will have something to eat when they are born. The black widow never feels any sorrow or remorse for this action and only thinks about the continuation of her species. A human female (married or not) who is pregnant doesnt automatically kill her lover like the black widow does but instead sees alternatives such as marriage, adoption, etc. for the baby to survive and should she kill her lover does so out of choice. Therefore animals have neither soul nor free will but react according to instinct; they love those who feed them, eat those smaller than they are, steal from those who have something they want etc. These things are because Allah wills them to be and so it should be our choice to do as He wants us to do and to do it of our free will.

[painted wolf]

if animals didn't have free will then we wouldn't have to worry about "better mousetraps".

wa:do

[cardero]

The moral or immoral instincts of an animal do not determine the evidence or non-evidence of a soul. Every animal that someone has shared their lives with will be able to tell you that each relationship is different and that each animal displays unique personalities, aspects and abilities. Anyone who believes that animals do not possess a soul either have never shared companionship with an entity like an animal or believe themselves superior to other entities.





Whenever you adopt the form of a physical "model," you are in it to experience the variety of life through that species, for that moment, for that existence. That is why spiritual entities will incarnate into different animals; they want to live the experience.

The only difference between humans and animals is the experience you ALL get from your existences.



REMEMBER that ALL entities are equal and ALL have PURPOSE.

Animals are very UNDERSTANDING. Animals are in the K(NOW) about many things. They might not have developed human's social or intellectual skills. But look into their eyes and you will see; animals do K(NOW). They have quite advanced UNDERSTANDING, not about human concerns or desires but spiritual ones. Life as an animal is not as simple as people presume.

Animals, like people, incarnate into a physical existence not to service humans but to service life.

Animals live this way of life. They teach us the value of life and the value of death. This is not a sacrifice. It is a PURPOSE! There is much to BE learned through the animal kingdom.

Animals were created for the variety of experience and the opportunity for soul growth.

HELLO IT’S ME: An Interview With GOD

Chapter The Animal Kingdom