ISAIAH PROPHESIED ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY, AND (some) CHRISTIANS ACCEPTING ISLAM: (Jesus, punishment)

[Muhhamad Abdul Salam]

Originally Posted by Steve

You know instead of twisting the prophet Isaiahs writings you could just acknowledge them for what they really say, repent of your sin and be forgiven thanks to the atonement Christ made for you on the Cross.

I have repented, I do it five times every day. On the subject of scripture though, didnt the church vote on what to include in the bible. How do you vote on it and then say "surely this is the work of God". Also weve never tried to play with Christian scripture but every now and then I see christians "bearing witness" to what "is really in the Qur'an" and how its a "religion of war". We never so much as passed gas in your direction but 9/11 hits and every baptist goes out to "reveal the truth" (twisted truth) that secretly lies in the Qur'an. I think its only justice that if you guys want to play scrabble with us then will do it back, besides, we dont believe in turn the other cheek.

[Popeyesays]

Isaiah and Micah and Daniel also prophesied Baha`u'llah, I can provide you chapter, verse and explanation if you like.

Regards,
Scott

[Flappycat]

You Christo-Muslims and your quote-mining. Keep trying to pick out phrases that support your particular dogma if it entertains you to do so, but I think you'd get a lot more out of the books by reading them for what they actually say. Keep going, though. Watching you folks trying to force a supreme being to agree with you is better than Prime Time HBO.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Flappycat

You Christo-Muslims and your quote-mining. Keep trying to pick out phrases that support your particular dogma if it entertains you to do so, but I think you'd get a lot more out of the books by reading them for what they actually say. Keep going, though. Watching you folks trying to force a supreme being to agree with you is better than Prime Time HBO.

Who's a Christo-Muslim?

Regards,
Scott

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Steve

You know instead of twisting the prophet Isaiahs writings you could just acknowledge them for what they really say, repent of your sin and be forgiven thanks to the atonement Christ made for you on the Cross.

Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6

How many threads do you plan on posting this same verse without responding to the rebuttals?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Muhhamad Abdul Salam

I have repented, I do it five times every day. On the subject of scripture though, didnt the church vote on what to include in the bible. How do you vote on it and then say "surely this is the work of God". Also weve never tried to play with Christian scripture but every now and then I see christians "bearing witness" to what "is really in the Qur'an" and how its a "religion of war". We never so much as passed gas in your direction but 9/11 hits and every baptist goes out to "reveal the truth" (twisted truth) that secretly lies in the Qur'an. I think its only justice that if you guys want to play scrabble with us then will do it back, besides, we dont believe in turn the other cheek.

The Council of Nicaea pre-dates the Roman Church. It was a council of independent Bishops who were mostly concerned with carving out power blocs amongst them. They declared "heresy" and "heretic" many of their own number. No single "Church" authorized the canon of the Bible. It was a just a power-mad bunch of madmen trying earnestly to cut each other's throats.

Regards,
Scott

[Flappycat]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Who's a Christo-Muslim?

Regards,
Scott

A member of any religion related to Christianity or Islam, in this case one who seems to want control over the thoughts and feelings of supreme beings. The quote-mining is and always has been one of the most ridiculous habits of the bunch. They speak as if a supreme being could be controlled by pulling random passages out of a collection of old books supposedly about it. I can't imagine a supreme being that wouldn't be either offended or amused. When you are throwing stones at one another, be careful not to mistake a mirror for your target. Seven years bad luck, you know.

The atheist has the more difficult "religion" if you evaluate difficulty in terms of getting anyone to heed you.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Flappycat

A member of any religion related to Christianity or Islam, in this case one who seems to want control over the thoughts and feelings of supreme beings. The quote-mining is and always has been one of the most ridiculous habits of the bunch. They speak as if a supreme being could be controlled by pulling random passages out of a collection of old books supposedly about it. I can't imagine a supreme being that wouldn't be either offended or amused. When you are throwing stones at one another, be careful not to mistake a mirror for your target. Seven years bad luck, you know.

The atheist has the more difficult "religion" if you evaluate difficulty in terms of getting anyone to heed you.

I was heeding you, I just don't agree with you. Is that a separate crime?

Regards,
Scott

[gnostic]

I agreed with Flappycat (frubal to you) that both Christians and Muslims quoting from tiny fraction of random passage from the Hebrew Scripture (ie Old Testament or Tanakh), often to force meaning into something, and taking it completely out of context when the entire chapter, or even chapters, are read together. You can't select small passage without taking in consideration the surrounding text of your quoted verse, because it make it lose its original meaning.

[Flappycat]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I was heeding you, I just don't agree with you. Is that a separate crime?

I didn't say anything was a crime. There's just no nice way to tell people that their supreme being doesn't exist. There's no way for it to sound appealing. Worse, atheists don't have any organizational support or any real motivation to convert people to atheism. It's just not something you get hyped up about. In the end, atheism is just too boring to really interest anybody, in and of itself. You guys get to parade around, claiming left and right that this or that deity has all the answers to everything and this prophet or seer said that, and anything an atheist can possibly say about atheism is just going to be met with snores. There isn't even a big atheist culture to boast of, just a little collection of like-minded philosophers and most of the scientific community. With nothing to make the atheist interesting, appealing, or even particularly likable, the atheist is going to end up blasted from all corners. Even the Dali Lama doesn't have a kind word for the atheist. In public circles, you can easily get away with saying that you have the one, true religion, implicitly asserting that all others are false, but saying you think the whole business is a waste of time will have even the moderates leaping up to tell you to your face that you're pond scum. I speak from hard experience. Take one guess as to why I remain an atheist with absolutely no material or social incentive.

A perk is that you don't have to feel hypocritical about pointing out the ridiculous behaviors of religious people. When Christians or Muslims discuss their theology, they seem more interested in pulling out quotes to support their views than in discovering what the soundbyte was actually meant to say. Arguing with snippets of scripture is an outright waste because the snippet doesn't explain the context or importance of itself to the overall story or to what it is significant. You don't even have a way of knowing what a particular word or phrase meant in the idiom of the time period in which it was written. As far as I can tell, the present-day forms of both of these religions are based on this sort of behavior, though. Anywhere else, it's called qu