Has the Paradigm Fallen? (abortion, sex)

[Bennettresearch]

France has become the focus of a real threat to Europe. THe EU is worried and the Euro has fallen against the dollar to a two year low. What is behind this rioting is the marginalization of immigrants. There is a 40% unemployment rate and immigrants in France feel they have no future because of the way that France disciminates against the non French. I don't need to post a reference because you have all read these facts in the news. In so many different threads in this forum on social issues people continually point to France and Europe as some kind of paradigm. The question is; do you believe that France can still be a social paradigm for the United States?

[Scuba Pete]

France has never been a social paradigm for the United States. It has always been regarded as extreme and over the top. The riots have not changed any views about France: only confirmed them.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Bennettresearch

France has become the focus of a real threat to Europe. THe EU is worried and the Euro has fallen against the dollar to a two year low. What is behind this rioting is the marginalization of immigrants. There is a 40% unemployment rate and immigrants in France feel they have no future because of the way that France disciminates against the non French. I don't need to post a reference because you have all read these facts in the news. In so many different threads in this forum on social issues people continually point to France and Europe as some kind of paradigm. The question is; do you believe that France can still be a social paradigm for the United States?

I think it depends on precisely what you look to France for. A social paradigm for assimilation of immigrants? No way! France should look to the US for clues about how to do that, not the other way around. But despite that, the US would do well to look to France (and other countries) for ideas about how to deal with teenage pregnancy and abortion, for France has lower rates of those than does the US.

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Yes, hopefully the false paradigm has fallen. Europe as a whole may be in a great deal of trouble in the coming years. Decades of socialism and a poor work ethic when compared to the West and the Far East may be coming home to roost.

The economic factors I refer to above were related to me by an economist in a conversation over lunch. Not sure how I can provide a link to a private conversation, so don't bother asking me for a cite.

B.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

France has never been a social paradigm for the United States. It has always been regarded as extreme and over the top. The riots have not changed any views about France: only confirmed them.

I'm with you on this one. I've never thought of France as a place to look to for as an example of what the US should become.

[Bennettresearch]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

France has never been a social paradigm for the United States. It has always been regarded as extreme and over the top. The riots have not changed any views about France: only confirmed them.

Hey Doc,

I quite agree. I brought this up because in other threads on social issues or about the US people have been pointing to Europe and France as better examples. I think it is time to give the Us a break and give a fair comparison.


Craig

[Bennettresearch]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

I think it depends on precisely what you look to France for. A social paradigm for assimilation of immigrants? No way! France should look to the US for clues about how to do that, not the other way around. But despite that, the US would do well to look to France (and other countries) for ideas about how to deal with teenage pregnancy and abortion, for France has lower rates of those than does the US.

Hey Sun,

I admit that I am confused about this. With the liberal application of abortion in the US and having it even go to the point that teenagers don't have to notify their parents about it, how is it that we are behind anyone in this respect. Sex education is in the schools and if this hasn't solved anything then what would you suggest we change in the US?


Craig

[Bennettresearch]

Originally Posted by MdmSzdWhtGuy

Yes, hopefully the false paradigm has fallen. Europe as a whole may be in a great deal of trouble in the coming years. Decades of socialism and a poor work ethic when compared to the West and the Far East may be coming home to roost.

The economic factors I refer to above were related to me by an economist in a conversation over lunch. Not sure how I can provide a link to a private conversation, so don't bother asking me for a cite.

B.

Hey MG,

No need to cite anything here. I doubt whether anyone could come up with any facts and figures to refute your statement.


Craig

[Bennettresearch]

Originally Posted by jonny

I'm with you on this one. I've never thought of France as a place to look to for as an example of what the US should become.

Hey Jonny,

Good to know that i am on the same page with someone once in a while.



Craig

[michel]

Originally Posted by MdmSzdWhtGuy

Yes, hopefully the false paradigm has fallen. Europe as a whole may be in a great deal of trouble in the coming years. Decades of socialism and a poor work ethic when compared to the West and the Fa