Homosexuality Is Of God ! (Jesus Christ, ritual, Sodom, Gomorrah, genesis)

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by spacemonkey

I was under the assumption "gnostic" refered to a sect of Chrisianity. Gnostic comes from the greek word "gnosis" meaning knowledge (also one of the ship names in the Matrix trilogy along with "Logos" or "word"). I wasn't aware there where other religous sects that refer to themselves as "Gnostics".

Well, technically Gnosticism is a school of theological thought that can be applied to any religious mythology you care to think of.
There are existing non-Christian Gnostics, they're called the Mandeans. Also a large non-Chrisitian group now extinct were the Sethians. The Manichaens had strong Gnostic themes in their literature, as did several Hermetic documents. There is even an Islamic Gnostic scripture called The Mother of Books.
Gnostic history and culture is very rich and varied, as well as incredibly confusing if you don't look at it in the right way

[spacemonkey]

Speaking of the Matrix, I belive the Gnosicism is the central religous belief being expressed in the film, not just the Orthodox Christian refrences people see in it. The Deus Ex Machina (God from the Machine) that Neo confronts represents Rex Mundi, a creation of matter but no soul. The Deus Ex Machina has created a world to imprisson mankind, much the same way the Gnostics feel that Rex Mundi imprissoned our divine souls on this world. Neo must battle himself in the form of Smith, which to me represents how Jesus is used to convert people to the ways of Rex Mundi (simply put, Neo = Gnostic Jesus ; Smith = Catholic Jesus) and in the end, not everyone is able to be AWAKENED to KNOWLEDGE that the Matrix is not the real world.

BTW I'm a BIG fan of the Matrix trilogy

[spacemonkey]

Sorry bout getting off topic

[bhakthi]

BHAKTHI,

Originally Posted by JerryL

So what about homosexual animals? They are reasonably common. Do you think animals even have souls for there to be spiritual problems in? If so, I hope you are a vegitarian.[/size][/font]

ANSWER-:
There is savage killing among animals.That means humans can do the same?
Yes, The New Testament speaks against homosexuality.
" as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."Jude;1:7
Moreover animals don't have to give an account of their actions to God the Creator.

[JerryL]

There is savage killing among animals.That means humans can do the same?

Since humans do it all the time, obviously the answer is "yes, humans can do the same".

Perhaps you mean "should we do the same"? That's a broad question, but is unrelated to what I have been discussing. I didn't ask if homosexuality was "OK", I asked how it could be a "spiritual problem" if non-spiritual animals have it.

Yes, The New Testament speaks against homosexuality.
" as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."Jude;1:7

That's pretty vague. You would do better to cite Paul's condemnation of "effeminates".

Moreover animals don't have to give an account of their actions to God the Creator.

Also not the question... though I'll assume that you therefore believe that animals do not have souls, and that homosexuality is not "spiritual".

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Darkdale

Also, Christians don't believe animals have souls. so... no problem.

Incorrect.

Three terms were used for the soul in the OT:

Nephesh -to refer to the animal and vegetative nature.

Nuah - to the ethical principle

Neshamah - purely spiritual intelligence



Catholic theology is line with this thinking.

~Victor

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by Victor

Incorrect.

Three terms were used for the soul in the OT:

Nephesh -to refer to the animal and vegetative nature.

Nuah - to the ethical principle

Neshamah - purely spiritual intelligence



Catholic theology is line with this thinking.

~Victor

I stand corrected. I do remember something to that extent; I revise my statement to say that Christians do not believe that animals have the same kind of soul as humans do.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Darkdale

I stand corrected. I do remember something to that extent; I revise my statement to say that Christians do not believe that animals have the same kind of soul as humans do.

We are here to learn and grow. I'm sure you won't skip a beat to correct me as well.

``Victor

[spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by bhakthi

BHAKTHI,
ANSWER-:
There is savage killing among animals.That means humans can do the same?
Yes, The New Testament speaks against homosexuality.
" as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."Jude;1:7
Moreover animals don't have to give an account of their actions to God the Creator.

For one thing, animals kill each other for food/survival only. They do not commit wholesale slaughter of other animals because the belive in differant things. If there is savage killing among any species on this planet it would be HUMANS and no other. Also, I belive the real reason behind the destruction of these cities was inhospitable treatment of guests, a much more grievous transgression for ancient Judaic people than hmosexuality.

[JerryL]

Originally Posted by spacemonkey

For one thing, animals kill each other for food/survival only.

You obviously don't own a cat.

They do not commit wholesale slaughter of other animals because the belive in differant things.

No, but they will simply because they are different (EG Ants)

If there is savage killing among any species on this planet it would be HUMANS and no other.

You've also never watched a Hyena pack hunt.

Also, I belive the real reason behind the destruction of these cities was inhospitable treatment of guests, a much more grievous transgression for ancient Judaic people than hmosexuality.

Agreed.