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Old 11-04-2005, 01:35 PM
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James is letting us know that when we know God's standards for good, but we still don't do it, we fall short of His standards. That is sin. But the good thing is we fall under His grace (Romans 8:1) through forgiveness, therefore, there is no condemnation.
I would say there is no condemnation as long as we accept Christ, which includes repentance.
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Some people might not know the sin of baptising people without priesthood authority, or something. Or the sin of drinking coffee.
How am I sinning if I drink a cup of java?
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:37 PM
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James is letting us know that when we know God's standards for good, but we still don't do it, we fall short of His standards. That is sin. But the good thing is we fall under His grace (Romans 8:1) through forgiveness, therefore, there is no condemnation.
For example, I might not know it is a sin to say the Lord's name in vein, but I do anyways.
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I would say there is no condemnation as long as we accept Christ, which includes repentance.
Absolutely. Christ is the centerpiece of that grace and redemption.
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How am I sinning if I drink a cup of java?
Well, we can't really have this discussion uless we can agree on what a "sin" is anyway . . .
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For example, I might not know it is a sin to say the Lord's name in vein, but I do anyways.
People may not know due to the fact they were born a sinner and do not know otherwise because they have no idea what standards God upholds us to. James was referring to a conscious sin in 4:17. We know right, but we still do wrong.
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For example, I might not know it is a sin to say the Lord's name in vein, but I do anyways.
But James ifs referring to conscious sin. If we know what God's statndards are, but disobey them anyway, that's sin. People are born in sin and do not know what God's standards are for there lives. They are slaves to sin because it is part of their nature. When you come to God, you still have a propensity to sin, but are no longer a slave to it. You know what God's standards are for living a righteous life. That's why we are continually under His grace and forgiveness when we fall short and repent.
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Very good observation. In this case it would be talking about things that may not be necessarily a sin to you and I, but it would to that person. Like goverment rule or personal rule that is broken. It's only sinful for him.

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This doesn't really seam to say anything about aquiting us from unknow sin's, but rather to warn us of the sin of not taking the opportunites we're given to do good
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