What did they give him to drink? (Jesus, crucify, contradiction)

[criticizer]

Hi

How are you freinds ?

I want an answer to this contradiction in the bible :
What did they give Jesus to drink?

vinegar - Matthew 27:34

wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23

[michel]

My mother taught me 'I wants' don't get. Which of the many sites did you get that contradiction ? was it http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/berror3.htmor should that read septic..........

[criticizer]

Hi

How are you Michel ?
Thanks for your notes, the contradictions in the Bible , I saw it in different sites, and what make me to put it her, is to know how the bible's believers will answer me, and i don't know other bible's believers to ask them.

[Aqualung]

Michel - that doesn't answer his question.

critizicer - I think they're both essentially the exact same thing, except vinegar is past the fermented stage.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Michel - that doesn't answer his question.

critizicer - I think they're both essentially the exact same thing, except vinegar is past the fermented stage.

Vinegar is a corruption of the French vin gar, or sour (or bad) wine.

There is one theory that there was a powerful narcotic included with this liquid. This, they claim, is what put Jesus into a deep comatose state ready for taking down off the cross.

[Aqualung]

Yep, Occam's razor. The simplest theory is the most likely. It's highly unlikely there was some huge conspiracy going on with Jesus that would have caused people to put some sort of powerful drug into the wine that they may or may not have even chosen to give to Jesus, just to put him into a comatose state to make him seem dead. The Romans were good at crucifying people. It's more logical to think he just died.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Yep, Occam's razor. The simplest theory is the most likely. It's highly unlikely there was some huge conspiracy going on with Jesus that would have caused people to put some sort of powerful drug into the wine that they may or may not have even chosen to give to Jesus, just to put him into a comatose state to make him seem dead. The Romans were good at crucifying people. It's more logical to think he just died.

I like that answer. I also normally apply what I call 'the balance of probability' test in religious matters, because there can never be any proof. So you are saying that, on the balance of probability, it is most likely that he died. Maybe.

For sceptics, the drug possibility explains resurrection (when the drug wore off). It would also explain why everybody was running backwards and forwards to the Romans to try to get the body down off the cross quickly. Of course, it raises other issues as well. But it is a possibility.

[Aqualung]

Well, skeptics always seem to make up the most far-fetched story in place of using logic.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by criticizer

Hi

How are you freinds ?

I want an answer to this contradiction in the bible :
What did they give Jesus to drink?

vinegar - Matthew 27:34

wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23

What translation are you using?

The New American Standard Bible says the following:

wine mixed with gall - Matthew 27:34

wine mixed with myrrh - Mark 15:23

I also found the following at http://vines.mike-obrien.net/ :

Gall
1chole

A word probably connected with chloe, "yellow," denotes "gall," (a) literal, Mt. 27:34 (cp. Ps. . 69:21); some regard the word here as referring to myrrh, on account of Mr. 15:23;

[Linus]

I'm pretty positive that the "Mr." up there at the end of that dictionary entry should be read as "Mt."

Just thought I'd clarify.