Why did God need to learn Obedience? (Jesus, Earth, crucifixion)

[jonny]

Hebrews 5:8-9 (KJV)

Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered. And being made perfect, be became the author of our eternal salvation.

Who is God being obdient to? Why would God need to learn obedience?

Could someone help me understand what is being said in Hebrews 5?

[Aqualung]

He had to learn obedience to his father. If he had no obedience he wouldn't do what was necessary and wouldn't be able to be the author of our salvation.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

He had to learn obedience to his father. If he had no obedience he wouldn't do what was necessary and wouldn't be able to be the author of our salvation.

Yes, I realize that much.

I was hoping to debate this with someone who believes in the trinity and find out what it means from their point of view. If Christ and the Father are the same, who is Christ being obedient to?

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by jonny

Yes, I realize that much.

I know. I'm just messing with you.

[westifer]

Try reading the same scripture in a different translation? I havent but its just an idea.

[jonny]

Here are some other translations of Hebrews 5:8-9

RSV - 8: Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered;
9: and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

NIV - 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

NASB - 8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

Wycliff - 8 And when he was God's Son, he learned obedience of these things that he suffered; 9and he brought to the end is made cause of everlasting health [and he led to perfection is made cause of everlasting health] to all that obey him,

Luther - 8Und wiewohl er Gottes Sohn war, hat er doch an dem, was er litt Gehorsam gelernt. 9Und da er vollendet war, ist er geworden allen, die ihm gehorsam sind, eine Ursache zur ewigen Seligkeit.

I see a trend...

[Terrywoodenpic]

Jesus was born of God and Mary, he had a childhood like any other and he had to learn all things like other children. He learned throughout his life, From Teachers, through debate, through experience,and direct from God.
His final lesson was on the cross, when for a moment he seemed to doubt the presence and promise of God. when by his own power he could have freed himself, he chose to Obey his destiny given him by GOd.
I think it was in the agony of his crucifixion that he Truly understood in his new found perfection, how his selfless crucifixion would be the salvation for all mankind.

I think Christ through out his life on earth, Knew he had the power of God, but still had to learn as a man, as this was the role Given him by God.

Terry______________________
Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

Jesus was born of God and Mary, he had a childhood like any other and he had to learn all things like other children. He learned throughout his life, From Teachers, through debate, through experience,and direct from God.

His final lesson was on the cross, when for a moment he seemed to doubt the presence and promise of God. when by his own power he could have freed himself, he chose to Obey his destiny given him by GOd.

I think it was in the agony of his crucifixion that he Truly understood in his new found perfection, how his selfless crucifixion would be the salvation for all mankind.

I think Christ through out his life on earth, Knew he had the power of God, but still had to learn as a man, as this was the role Given him by God.

Thanks. That's a great answer and I agree with you.

[dan]

Originally Posted by jonny

Thanks. That's a great answer and I agree with you.

Jonny, check out the Joseph Smith Translation of Matthew 3:25

[Jensen]

Originally Posted by jonny

Hebrews 5:8-9 (KJV)

Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered. And being made perfect, be became the author of our eternal salvation.

Who is God being obdient to? Why would God need to learn obedience?

Could someone help me understand what is being said in Hebrews 5?

It doesn't say that God needed to learn obedience....it says the Son learned obedience. Did God need to be made perfect? I think God has always been perfect.

Jensen