Divinity and Sonship (Jesus Christ, Earth, incarnation, bible, Biblical)

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by glasgowchick

Only in His Human nature did Jesus say these things...Remember Jesus emptied Himself and took on the form of a bond slave...

Well said!

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by facetiousme

Certainly

Philippians 2:5-8

5 ° Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

can i ask somthing if you don't mind?

Did Jesus said anything similar to this in the bible or just his diciples?

[nutshell]

There is only one God and that is God the Father. It is He who we worship. Jesus Christ is our savior, to whom we are eternally indebted to.

Christ is equal to the father in that he is an heir to all his father has. In this way, we too can be joint heirs with Christ (see Romans 8:16-18). Does this make us equal? Absolutely not. We must always worship the Father.

[nutshell]

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[TashaN]

Originally Posted by nutshell

There is only one God and that is God the Father. It is He who we worship. Jesus Christ is our savior, to whom we are eternally indebted to.

Christ is equal to the father in that he is an heir to all his father has. In this way, we too can be joint heirs with Christ (see Romans 8:16-18). Does this make us equal? Absolutely not. We must always worship the Father.

So, are you saying that Jesus is equal to God but he is not a god.

another thing, what is the different between Jesus as a "son" and the other sons in the bible?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by nutshell

And by the way...I like seeing The Truth's input. It's sometimes good to get an outside perspective on things.

Thanks ..

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Therefore, personally i believe that in this verse Jesus showed us clearly that he is not equal with God in term of knowledge but just like us.

Hi, Truth.

That's quite a leap, don't you think? It's one thing to say that Jesus Christ occupies a position subordinate to His Father, but quite another to say that, in terms of His knowledge, He is "just like us." I realize that you are a Muslim and therefore view Jesus in an entirely different light than do Christians, but you'd have a really hard time convincing any Christian (even a heretic like me ) that Jesus has no greater knowledge than you or I.

Kathryn

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by glasgowchick

Only in His Human nature did Jesus say these things...Remember Jesus emptied Himself and took on the form of a bond slave...

Actually, subordinationism (i.e. the beliefs that the Son and the Holy Ghost) are both subordinate to the Father) was taught throughout the Apostolic era and for some some thereafter. A number of the early Church Fathers commented on Christ's position within the Godhead relative to His Father. For instance:

Hippolytus wrote (in his Scholia on Daniel 7) that the Father is "the Lord and God and Ruler of all, and even of Christ Himself..."

Irenaeus (in Against Heresies) noted that "For if anyone should inquire the reason why the Father, who has fellowship with the Son in all things, has been declared by the Lord alone to know the hour and the day [of judgment], he will find at present no more suitable, or becoming, or safe reason that this... that we may learn through Him that the Father is above all things. For 'the father,' says He, 'is greater than I.'

Obviously, then, Christ's statement concerning His Father's superiority was not meant to be understood as being true only up until His ascension into Heaven.

Irenaeus further explained, "The, therefore, having been clearly demonstrated here... that neither the prophets, nor the Apostles, nor the Lord Christ in His own person, did acknowledge any other Lord or God, but the God and Lord supreme."

To insist that the Son's subordination to His Father was only for the duration of His mortal life is to ignore the fact that it was God the Father who (according to Ephesians 3:9) "created all things by Jesus Christ." Christ, then, was the creator, but acted under His Father's counsel and direction. So, even in His premortal state, Christ acknowledged His Father as surpreme.