Can 500+ Eyewitnesses Be Wrong? (Jesus, Earth, disciples, Corinthians)

michel · #1 09-04-2005, 11:53 PM

In view of the fact that 1 Corinthians 15 mentions over 500 eyewitnesses to Jesus' resurrection, is that enough to convict Him of same?

Jaymes · #2 09-05-2005, 12:00 AM

Many people swear up and down they've seen UFOs, foxes possessing people, witches doing all matter of things, etc. I see no reason for that to be any more valid than those.

JerryL · #3 09-05-2005, 12:03 AM

Yes, 500 people can be wrong.

But more importantly: can one person saying there were 500 be wrong.

When I time-traveled back to ancient Messopotamia, I was witnessed by more than 5000. Can they be wrong?

michel · #4 09-05-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensa

Many people swear up and down they've seen UFOs, foxes possessing people, witches doing all matter of things, etc. I see no reason for that to be any more valid than those.

But how many of them would actually die for that belief? And would the strongest empire on the face of the Earth at the time spend a large amount of their budget trying to supress it?

I know the USA spent a lot of mony on Project Bluebook and SETI, but has anyone been executed for reporting UFO's?

michel · #5 09-05-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryL

Yes, 500 people can be wrong.

But more importantly: can one person saying there were 500 be wrong.

When I time-traveled back to ancient Messopotamia, I was witnessed by more than 5000. Can they be wrong?

Why then was it taken so seriously by heads of state, etc.; and why did so many people die a premature death proclaiming it?

drekmed · #6 09-05-2005, 12:10 AM

just out of curiosity, did any of the disciples write about jesus being seen by 500+ people after the resurrection? i tend to think more highly of their writings than Paul's because they actually met and went around with jesus. as far as i know, only paul states that he actually met jesus, there are no other writings by anybody but paul that i can find to back his claims.

michel · #7 09-05-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by drekmed

just out of curiosity, did any of the disciples write about jesus being seen by 500+ people after the resurrection? i tend to think more highly of their writings than Paul's because they actually met and went around with jesus. as far as i know, only paul states that he actually met jesus, there are no other writings by anybody but paul that i can find to back his claims.

Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus, and they confirm His resurrection. Paul mentions both of them as being part of the 500+ eyewitnesses.

Jaymes · #8 09-05-2005, 12:15 AM

Just because someone would die for their beliefs it doesn't make them right. I hear this argued often; 'they'd die for it, they must be right!' People that aren't Christians die for their beliefs. Therefor, they must be right as well, yes? China has spent who knows how much trying to suppress or wipe out religions in their occupied areas, killing priests and sometimes burning them alive for trying to protect the temples.

JerryL · #9 09-05-2005, 12:20 AM

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But how many of them would actually die for that belief?

Do you have historical accounts of 500+ people dyin ghaving claimed to have been at that event? Please present them.

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I know the USA spent a lot of mony on Project Bluebook and SETI, but has anyone been executed for reporting UFO's?

Pretty much everone in the assassian's guild died for their belief that they had witnessed paradise.

Is that the standard you would be willing to adhere to? Anything anyone died for is true?

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Why then was it taken so seriously by heads of state, etc.; and why did so many people die a premature death proclaiming it?

More died proclaiming my appearance.

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Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus, and they confirm His resurrection. Paul mentions both of them as being part of the 500+ eyewitnesses.

And yet they never mention it, even though John's writings are after timothy's rendition for Paul.

Was Matthew a deciple of Jesus? The text isn't exactly signed (none of the gospels are). I thought Matthew was a deciple of Peter.

drekmed · #10 09-05-2005, 12:23 AM

im not questioning the actual resurrection, im questioning whether the disciples themselves wrote about how many people saw jesus after the resurrection, and whether paul himself can be considered a credible witness to the events as he claims. i have not been able to find anything other than the writings of paul that say anything on this matter, in fact i have not found paul mentioned by any of the disciples at all as having ever met jesus. if i am wrong, please correct me, and show me where they did.