Can 500+ Eyewitnesses Be Wrong? (Jesus, Earth, disciples, Corinthians)

[painted wolf]

if we have only been around 4000 years why would god lie to us about it? Why would he put fake ancestors in our earth and why would he give us a culture with a fake history?
Big Horn mecine wheel has been in CONTINUOUS use for over 7000 years. How did God fake that and get us to buy it????

Again that's nice, but you're leaving too much out. Did many of your authors die a martyr's death?

I've already answered this question... yes.

Were they hounded relentlessly by their own people - even to the point of one wanting to take his own life?

yup... many still are.

Was their authority challenged by their own brother and sister?

yup... many still are.

[quote] Did one wrestle with the Creator of the Universe in hand-to-hand combat?[quote]
Our creator doesn't believe in solving his problems thorough violence....
does the fact that your god was willing to personally physically attack someone make him more believable?

Michel- I'm just mirroring AVI's statement about not going into detail on the 'my prophet said this' game. Personally to me this isn't the place to discuss who's got a better track record of prophecy. I'm sure Nostradamus fans would love to get in on that sort of thing.

wa:do

[Feathers in Hair]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

if we have only been around 4000 years why would god lie to us about it? Why would he put fake ancestors in our earth and why would he give us a culture with a fake history?
Big Horn mecine wheel has been in CONTINUOUS use for over 7000 years. How did God fake that and get us to buy it????

But the fact that he faked you into using a Medicine Wheel for over 7000 years is proof of this god's power! He even made it work! How clever is that! (It couldn't be anything like, y'know, proof of another path being valid. )

[michel]

Originally Posted by JerryL

Can you offer any support at all? What other histories did Luke write? How can we establish the gospel of Luke was written by the same person? How do we establish him to be "an historian of the highest degree".

In short, I think you are asserting somethig for which there is no real support. The Gospels are unsigned, we cannot even be certain who the authors are... and we certainly have no other workd from them establishing their methodology nor reliability.

Luke is widely believed in Christian circles to be written by a deciple of Paul. Paul is cited as referring to it as "my gospel". Since it really cannot offer new insight, I have to presume that the gospel is a political tool; and indeed it falls more in-line with Pauls preaching. It's essentially ghost-written for Paul, who never met Jesus (hence the neccessity of his "Jesus came to me, and 500 unnamed people saw it" claim).

Just simplify it and say God wrote it. You would be correct. The human writers were just inspired stenographers, so to speak.

[michel]

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..................."Michel- I'm just mirroring AVI's statement about not going into detail on the 'my prophet said this' game. Personally to me this isn't the place to discuss who's got a better track record of prophecy. I'm sure Nostradamus fans would love to get in on that sort of thing"........................

wa:do[/PART QUOTE]

Fair enough, I was 'just interested'.

[michel]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

if we have only been around 4000 years why would god lie to us about it?

For the umpteenth time, He did a poor job lying about it didn't he? Just add the times of death of the patriarchs in the OT, add the 400 years between the testaments, the 2000 years after that, and you come to only 6000 years since Adam.

Why would he put fake ancestors in our earth and why would he give us a culture with a fake history?
Big Horn mecine wheel has been in CONTINUOUS use for over 7000 years. How did God fake that and get us to buy it????

Who, specifically is "he" in your above quote? What is his name? I'm lost on this one. Who put fake ancestors "in our Earth"?

[michel]

AV, I admire your fortitude (or is it fivetitude ? - it sure is big!). I don't understand how you can compete in your assertions (which you are welcome to believe in) against every single bit of scientific data that shows otherwise ?

[painted wolf]

he the one who according to you faked my history and culture. Your god of the imbedded age.
if you add up the generations (and evidence) that have been using the big horn medicine wheel you get more than 7000 years worth of people.

Why would your god fake our history? Surely he would have no need to make us think we were around longer than 6000 years?

maybe he just made us first and put your Adam on earth a thousand years after us?
It would make sence to me, my religion says that god made my people first anyway.

wa:do

[michel]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

he the one who according to you faked my history and culture. Your god of the imbedded age.
if you add up the generations (and evidence) that have been using the big horn medicine wheel you get more than 7000 years worth of people.

Why would your god fake our history? Surely he would have no need to make us think we were around longer than 6000 years?

maybe he just made us first and put your Adam on earth a thousand years after us?
It would make sence to me, my religion says that god made my people first anyway.

wa:do

Trust you to be at the front of the line.