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Old 10-04-2005, 12:31 AM
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Default If you want to know the truth of who really is Jesus in the Bible...

i recommend that you visit the site www.thename.ph for all the questions that you may ever have about Jesus and also true God.

If you will not check out this site, you will not find the answers you are looking for...

To give you a hint, all the religions say that Jesus brought peace in to the world, let us ask Jesus himself, what did he bring?

49"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! 51Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
Luke 12:49-53

Now, tell me if this is not happening for the last two thousand years?

See, do we really know Jesus?

1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.
John 16:1-3

See, christians kill muslims, muslims kill christians, now in Iraq it is the muslims killing muslims. We really don't know Jesus and God.
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Old 10-11-2005, 12:59 AM
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Consider an analogy: God is like the sun; that is, too bright for the human eye to behold. God in His Divine and Invisible Essence does not descend to the earth. In our analogy, if the sun came down to earth, everything would be burned up. However, Christ is "the image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15). In other words, to see (understand) Christ is "beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord" (II Cor. 3:18). Of course the glass referred to is a looking glass, thus turning to Christ is compared to seeing God reflected in a perfect mirror; the image in the mirror is not the sun itself, but nevertheless reveals its attributes of heat and light. If you were to look in the mirror at the sun's reflection and say "That's the sun," it would be the truth, yet if you were to say "The sun is not in the mirror," it would also be the truth, because the sun did not descend into the mirror; the sun in the mirror is only the image of the real sun. The Holy Spirit is like the rays of the sun, which shine upon the mirror, bringing the sun's reflection into the mirror. Thus, Christ said "I and the Father are one," yet He also said "Why call ye me good, only the Father is good." In other words, that was like saying, "I am not the sun, only the perfect reflection of the sun in a polished mirror."
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Old 10-27-2005, 03:03 AM
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Jesus tells his disciples many times to pray in "my name" to gather together in his name. He gives them the power to heal the sick and cast out demons in his name. No other prophet of God before Jesus or after has said to anyone to do anything in there name. Because a true prphet realizes that his power comes from God not himself. Therefore if Jesus was not God he was a blasphemer and not a prophet of God. It is completely clear from all the exhaustive scripture reference and different threads on Jesus being God, that Jesus at least in several occasions places himself equal to God. Any man that claims that he is equal to God has to be a completely insane heretic or he's telling the truth.
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:51 AM
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I and the Father are one. john 10;30

Or, "at unity." Lit., "one (thing)." Gr., hen, neuter, to show oneness in cooperation

in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.....john 17;21........... so jesus followers are in unity with Jesus and God but it does not make them God ,it is unity of purpose....John 17;21



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I get the feeling that threads such as these are like prosyltyzing in reverse? IOW, if you prove the other religion false, then people will flock to your religion. I find it MORE than disengenuous and highly insulting and if it doesn't flagrantly violate the TOS, it certainly flirts with doing so. I expect we will see a response with a "just" in it, trying to justify their actions. Go figure!
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I find it MORE than disengenuous and highly insulting and if it doesn't flagrantly violate the TOS, it certainly flirts with doing so.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:18 AM
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please to avoid the misunderstanding i wanna know:

1- Jesus is God "the father" himself in human form?
2- Jesus is the son of God and he is totally another God not the same as God "the father"?
3- Jesus was a man then suddnly he became a God and vise versa?
Christ was God manifested in human form. Still God in heaven and on earth in human form. He didn't stop being God when he manifested in human form. *We* cannot be in two places at once, but I have no difficulty believing this was a snap for God.
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1. when jesus was being cruxicified, and as he was on the cross he said,"father why have you forsaken me?"
2. when jesus was doing his spiritual thing in the desert, satan came to him and offered things like, kingdoms, gold, food, water.
It was the human part of Jesus crying out and being tempted.
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Jesus tells his disciples many times to pray in "my name" to gather together in his name. He gives them the power to heal the sick and cast out demons in his name. No other prophet of God before Jesus or after has said to anyone to do anything in there name. Because a true prphet realizes that his power comes from God not himself. Therefore if Jesus was not God he was a blasphemer and not a prophet of God. It is completely clear from all the exhaustive scripture reference and different threads on Jesus being God, that Jesus at least in several occasions places himself equal to God. Any man that claims that he is equal to God has to be a completely insane heretic or he's telling the truth.
Frubals for looking past the verse nitpicking.
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It was the human part of Jesus crying out and being tempted.
So you mean the human part was calling the Godness part which means that Jesus was talking to himself.
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