what !!! Where Jesus said so? (GOD) (Jesus Christ, Creator, Moses, Earth) - Page 2

TashaN · #11 09-04-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

The truth;

The truth;

"Philippians 2:6 = WHO, BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD:"

Jesus Christ was God from eternity (John 1:1-3), the Creator of all things and also he was not fearful of losing His deity when He exchanged the outward form of God for the outward form of man; that is, He did not have to cling to His deity as a robber would his plunder. He could not cease being God. The word for robbery is used only this one time in the New Testament.

please to avoid the misunderstanding i wanna know:

1- Jesus is God "the father" himself in human form?
2- Jesus is the son of God and he is totally another God not the same as God "the father"?
3- Jesus was a man then suddnly he became a God and vise versa?

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Originally Posted by michel

"John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
Note the tremendous dimensions of this claim. Jesus would not be put to death by the Jews, or the Romans, or even by Satan. He refused twelve legions of angels to save Him (Matthew 26:53),

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Originally Posted by michel

on the cross. After He had finished all the sufferings He must endure for our sins, deliberately and of His own volition, He dismissed His spirit (Luke 23:46) from His body. No ordinary man could ever do this.
Jesus was raised from the dead, not by some miracle worker, or by an angel, or even by His Father, but by His own power.

You mean the power he suspend according to "AV 1611" ??
but how can you explain that verse when he told them that his miracle is like Jonah because Jonah was alive so Jesus must be so as i explained in another thread.

Was Jesus' Sacrifice Significant? ( post 73 )

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Originally Posted by michel

3- There is only one God not three (If there is any other verse which can contradict with this so which one is the right one?)
This is not a reference to three Gods, it is a reference tp the three 'aspects' or characters of God (as in the belief of the trinity)

So they weren't real 3 fully Gods and Jesus is not fully God according to you because if he is so we can simply say that he is God isn't it?

TashaN · #12 09-04-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AV1611

It is imperative the the disciples keep the focus of the Gospel on Jesus, and Jesus alone.

Acts 4:12 = NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

Had they traveled around claiming Jesus = God, then some would be calling on the name of Jehovah for salvation, and some would be calling on Jesus, creating confusion.

As a matter of fact, this was already happening:

Why they were afraid of confusion if he was a fully God"Jesus" = "the father" so does it matter?

now when you call your God asking for help will you say OOh my God " the father " or you mean OOh My God ( Jesus Christ ) ??? so the confusuin happened isn't it?

before they were calling for God "the father" and now they are saying "Jesus Christ".

1 Corinthians 3:4 = FOR WHILE ONE SAITH, I AM OF PAUL; AND ANOTHER, I AM OF APOLLOS; ARE YE NOT CARNAL?

So with this in mind, they separated "Jesus" from "God", yet were able to maintain the existence of the Godhead, which would be taught in their epistles.[/quote]

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Paul makes it clear that this is not the case in Romans 7:10 ---

AND THE COMMANDMENT WHICH WAS ORDAINED TO LIFE, I FOUND TO BE UNTO DEATH.

Jesus' point in claiming that one should follow the 10 Commandments, is that one cannot follow the 10 Commandments.

'You shall have no other gods before Me.' ( God said so to Moses before Jesus Christ was born ) then they claim there is another God ( Jesus ) and you are asking saying:

is that one cannot follow the 10 Commandments? and now everybody is worshiping Christ before God "the father".

michel · #13 09-04-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth

My God is not the one you claim ( which i don't know )

But my God is the creater of you, me and the whole universe.
The one who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses, (my lovely prophet who will come again Jesus Christ) and absloutly the last prophet Mohamed "peace be upon them all" as prophets for the only God, our God ... Allah.

YOUR god is Allah, the moon god. That's the primary deity of the tribe that Mohamed came from, and that's why the symbol of Islam is a crescent moon.

michel · #14 09-04-2005, 02:09 PM

The truth,

I have found an article that you will hopefully read, in order to understand the Trinity;

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/A...nity_brief.htm

A Brief Explanation of the Trinity

James M. Arlandson

Please see the website for the explanation - and the understanding of the confusion in ideas between Islam and Christianity.

I hope you will forgive me if I say that this is my final attempt to help you understand; I have answered your questions as best as I can, on two different threads, and either you do not understand, or you do not wish to; I hope it is not the latter.

michel · #15 09-04-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?( don't call me God ) there is none good but one,( Me ) that is, God ( Me) (Mark 10:18)

Is that really what you mean?

I'm really confused now.

Well, I really don't want to paraphrase, since I'm King James Only, but, basically this is what He's saying:

WHAT ARE YOU CALLING ME GOOD FOR? SINCE ONLY "GOD" IS GOOD, ARE YOU ADMITTING THAT "I" AM GOD?

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the is my first time i heard such a thing about suspending theory !!!

Philippians 2:7 = BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, AND WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN.

This 'made in the likeness of men' means that He suspended some of His natural attributes in order to assume a human body. He took on a brain, for instance, that couldn't hold omniscient data, and He took on flesh that isn't omnipotent (or the nails wouldn't have been able to pierce His skin).

I hope this clarifies.

TashaN · #16 09-04-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AV1611

YOUR god is Allah, the moon god. That's the primary deity of the tribe that Mohamed came from, and that's why the symbol of Islam is a crescent moon.

The thread is about Jesus being a God in christians' eyes but not about Islam.

If you have any questions about Islam or from where does the crescent came from so please start a new thread in it's proper forum and lead me to the link of it and i'll give you a comperhensive answer about it and i'll give you a free lesson in history about it because this symbol came before few years by an islamic country.

please stick to our topic or just give up.

Peace ...

michel · #17 09-04-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

The truth,

I have found an article that you will hopefully read, in order to understand the Trinity;

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/A...nity_brief.htm

Thank you, Michel. Excellent article! Who is that guy, anyway? (Arlandson)

michel · #18 09-04-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth

The thread is about Jesus being a God in christians' eyes but not about Islam.

If you have any questions about Islam or from where does the crescent came from so please start a new thread in it's proper forum and lead me to the link of it and i'll give you a comperhensive answer about it and i'll give you a free lesson in history about it because this symbol came before few years by an islamic country.

please stick to our topic or just give up.

Peace ...

Fair enough, thank you.