Was Jesus' Sacrifice Significant? (crucify, beliefs, eternity, God, Christ)

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Truth. Jesus wasn't "dead" in that he was essentially in an uncoincious state of rest for three days. He was very much alive, but he "decended to the dead," that is, to the place where the spirits of dead men are kept. This is the place that is equivalent to the belly of the whale. He is essentially dead to the rest of the world, but very much alive. 1 Pet 3:19 "preached unto the spirits in prison", 4:6 "gospel preached also to them that are dead." You are saying that the belly of the whale is death itself. The belly of the whale is not. It is what he was doing when he was "dead," though he was actually very much alive.

So, you mean that Jonah also was essentially in an uncoincious state of rest for three days
and he was praying to God while he was in an uncoincious state the same as Jesus?

or you mean both of them were alive as you mentioned lately?

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by The Truth

So, you mean that Jonah also was essentially in an uncoincious state of rest for three days
and he was praying to God while he was in an uncoincious state the same as Jesus?

Jonah being a type of Jesus does not mean that the two were doing exactly the same things in exactly the same manner. They were both alive. But both might as well of been dead to the rest of the world. Jonah was swallowed by a whale, and in three days spit back out. He prayed to god and did the work that he needed to do. Jesus was "swallowed up by death," not because he stayed in a state of death for three days, but because the spirit of his dead body went to the place where the spirits of all dead bodies go, and there he did the work that was necessary. Then, death "spit him back out," where he was reunited with his body, just as jonah was reunited with land. Just because somebody is a type doesn't mean that everything will be exactly the same.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Jonah being a type of Jesus does not mean that the two were doing exactly the same things in exactly the same manner. They were both alive. But both might as well of been dead to the rest of the world. Jonah was swallowed by a whale, and in three days spit back out. He prayed to god and did the work that he needed to do. Jesus was "swallowed up by death,"

Dear Aqualung,

Don't worry about where Jesus was because he answered that already when he said:

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will
the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
Matthew 12:40

he said as Jonah was in the belly of the whale so Jesus was in the heart of the earth not in the heart of the death or swallowed by death as you mention which makes your claim unvalid.


Peace ...

[michel]

The truth;


The title of this thread is whas jesus' Sacrifice Significant; I, among others have tried hard to explain our beliefs to you, but you do not seem to accept what we say.

Furthermore, I have not mentioned this until now, but I find the fact that you keep refering to the crucifiction as 'The Cruci -FICTION' almost a way of telling us that you do not even believe in it.

I don't know if you are being deliberately awkward, or if there really is a problem with communication. I have tried hard, and yet you keep asking more and more, repeating the same questions, although theyhave been explained to you.

I hope you will excuse me then, if I decline to take further part in your discussions; I wish you the best, and I truly hope you find the answers to the questions you have.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by The Truth

he said as Jonah was in the belly of the whale so Jesus was in the heart of the earth not in the heart of the death or swallowed by death as you mention which makes your claim unvalid.

How does that in any way make my claim invalid? Perhaps the spirit prison to which he traveled is in the heard of the earth. I never said that he was actually somewhere in china (or wherever). I don't know if that verse is figurative (the heart of the earth is metaphorical) or literal (he actually went to the heart of the earth) but it in no way disproves my claims. I didn't mean when he got "swallowed by death" that he was actually in the belly of a guy named Death. This just meant that, as jonah went into the belly of the whale, Jesus went in to the figurative belly of death, or where all the spirits are kept.

[mr.guy]

the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".


For anyone that's read "the inferno", is this when Jesus is supposed to have journeyed to hell?

[michel]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".


For anyone that's read "the inferno", is this when Jesus is supposed to have journeyed to hell?

I'm sorry mr.guy;
what is the significance of your question on this thread?

[mr.guy]

i don't know yet. i thought if it was, i might have a better understanding of what The Truth might be alluding to.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".


For anyone that's read "the inferno", is this when Jesus is supposed to have journeyed to hell?

as far as I know, yes