Are Christians better than their God? (Jesus, ritual, reject, Torah)

[michel]

Originally Posted by The Truth

you must kidding me !!!!

are you saying that there are 2 different Gods in 2 different testament so we have the evil God in the OT and the love one in the NT ???

what are you talking about guys ?? please think before you answer in here blindly.

if he is the same God but the OT was corrupted then why you don't believe muslims when they say the NT too were corrupted bringing evidence for this claim.


Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said: Do not kill a child ( the first order ), do not kill an Old, do not kill a woman and do not cut a tree ( even a tree ).

So, now do you think islam is bad ?? ofcourse not

and also we can say that islam came to correct the NT as the NT came to correct the OT.

Peace

I understand your point, The truth, but we are happy to accept the new testament - which is based on Christ's teachings. The message throughout the New testament is one of an ever- loving, caring God; we simply believe that those who wrote the old testament misunderstood what they were trying to relate.

There are no two Gods - there is only one, but the old testament was 'surpassed' by the new testament, in which his only begotten son Jesus Christ, made sure we understood God and his Love. For us, we are happy with that; why should we need to want to accept Islam?

http://www.gospelgazette.com/gazette/2004/mar/page8.htm

an extract reads as follows:-

"Several New Testament passages teach the temporary design of the Old Testament system (the Law of Moses), and the fact that the new covenant of Christ superseded the Old (Colossians 2:14-15; Ephesians 2:14-15; Galatians 3:23-25; Romans 7:1-6; Hebrews 6:12; 9:15-17).

If the Old Testament has been abrogated, why should a person be concerned with studying it? This is a question of many sincere people, and it deserves a response. This caution, however, must be noted. In arguing the temporary status of the Old Testament system, one should not leave the mistaken notion that the OT is an insignificant portion of Scripture.

In considering the value of Old Testament study, one should be aware of some invalid uses of it. First, the OT is not a source for determining how to become a Christian (cf. Acts 4:12; Romans 1:16). Second, the OT is not a guide for Christian worship (cf. Colossians 3:17; 2 John 9). Third, the OT is not a pattern for the church (cf. 1 Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews 10:1). Fourth, the OT cannot be isolated from the NT (2 Timothy 1:10). When inspired NT writers comment on OT passages, it is abject arrogance to disagree with them. The NT was given as the binding will of Christ, becoming operative subsequent to his death (cf. Hebrews 9:15-17; Luke 10:16; John16: 13)................"

This is just the opening passage - If you are interested, I suggest you read the whole page on the above site.

[TashaN]

i saw what you were trying to say michel but you didn't answer this question.

Originally Posted by The Truth

if he is the same God but the OT was corrupted then why you don't believe muslims when they say the NT too were corrupted bringing evidence for this claim.

There is no single chance that Jesus (PBUH) was definitely right and we should follow him but the problem accured when the NT was corrupted as the OT ( because at that time the OT is the only holy book which was avilable before the NT ).

If Jesus came to refresh the law and the principle of believeing in God then why it's impossible that Mohamed (PBUH) came to refresh the NT?

and the evidence is that once:

Jesus (PBUH) came after Moses (PBUH) which means NT after OT

then we can say:

Mohamed (PBUH) came after Jesus (PBUH) which means Quran after NT.

isn't it logic ?

Michel, i know you are happy with it and i don't mind whether you are happy with it or not but it's a matter of thinking and using our minds to think as we made our hearts to believe.

by the way, Jesus Christ have said that Mohamed (PBUH) will come and we all should follow him and i can bring for you verses in the bible where Jesus said so.

Peace

[michel]

Originally Posted by The Truth

i saw what you were trying to say michel but you didn't answer this question.

There is no single chance that Jesus (PBUH) was definitely right and we should follow him but the problem accured when the NT was corrupted as the OT ( because at that time the OT is the only holy book which was avilable before the NT ).

If Jesus came to refresh the law and the principle of believeing in God then why it's impossible that Mohamed (PBUH) came to refresh the NT?

and the evidence is that once:

Jesus (PBUH) came after Moses (PBUH) which means NT after OT

then we can say:

Mohamed (PBUH) came after Jesus (PBUH) which means Quran after NT.

isn't it logic ?

Michel, i know you are happy with it and i don't mind whether you are happy with it or not but it's a matter of thinking and using our minds to think as we made our hearts to believe.

by the way, Jesus Christ have said that Mohamed (PBUH) will come and we all should follow him and i can bring for you verses in the bible where Jesus said so.

Peace

You are welcome to believe in what feels right for you; I know that what feels right for me is Christianity, and I want to follow the example of Christ - that is what makes me a Christian; there is more to religion than just faith, and literature.

There is culture as well - and I would find the islamic culture hard to follow, just as I imagine you find the western culture 'uncomfortable'.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by michel

You are welcome to believe in what feels right for you; I know that what feels right for me is Christianity, and I want to follow the example of Christ - that is what makes me a Christian; there is more to religion than just faith, and literature.

There is culture as well - and I would find the islamic culture hard to follow, just as I imagine you find the western culture 'uncomfortable'.

There is a misconception here?

When does the religion is a matter of culture?

are saying the Africans, Asian,Russian ... etc have the same culture as you in the west as a christian?

or are you claiming maybe that Muslims from Asia, Africa, and europe have the same culture?

If Christianity is the truth i swear by God i'll be the Christian but until now there is many mystries, contradictions and confusion in the way but if any religion is the right i guess we must follow it whatever our culture is but if the case is that you see it as a matter of what you used to do and believeing in so i think you don't care of the truth or what you believe in whether it's right or wrong and ofcourse you have the right to choose your way.


Peace