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Dear all,
I hope you don't mind me assuming that you are all familiar with the following from the Old Testament (King James Version, Judges, Chapter 12): 1 And the men of Ephraim gathered themselves together, and went northward, and said unto Jephthah, Wherefore passedst thou over to fight against the children of Ammon, and didst not call us to go with thee? we will burn thine house upon thee with fire. 2 And Jephthah said unto them, I and my people were at great strife with the children of Ammon; and when I called you, ye delivered me not out of their hands. 3 And when I saw that ye delivered me not, I put my life in my hands, and passed over against the children of Ammon, and the LORD delivered them into my hand: wherefore then are ye come up unto me this day, to fight against me? 4 Then Jephthah gathered together all the men of Gilead, and fought with Ephraim: and the men of Gilead smote Ephraim, because they said, Ye Gileadites are fugitives of Ephraim among the Ephraimites, and among the Manassites. 5 And the Gileadites took the passages of the Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; 6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand. Being a non-christian but interested in the origin of the term 'shibboleth', I'm not exactly sure whether the above should be regarded as an allegory, parable, historical document or otherwise and would be very grateful if you could enlighten me. I'd also be very interested to hear if anyone knows whether the linguistic shibboleth occurs in the sacred texts of other religions such as Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. Thanks in advance, Hythloday |
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It was just a word known to be pronounced differently by the two groups and, therefore, an effective test - nothing else.
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Hi Deut,
Thanks for the prompt response. Yes, I know, but why is it included in the bible and what significance does it have to christians? Is it just read as a historical account and nothing more? Or is it some kind of parable? If so, what doctrine is it intended to illustrate? Sorry about all the questions. Hyth |
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Do you have any ... any reason to think otherwise?
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Hi Deut,
Well, if what you're saying is true, doesn't this make the bible just a glorified history book? Forgive me if I am wrong, but most christians appear to believe that the bible is didactic, in which case there must be more to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Hyth Last edited by Hythloday; 08-27-2005 at 08:59 AM. |
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"Shibboleth" is an ear of cord. Judges 12 is an interesting chapter. The Ammonites have vexed Israel, and God commissioned Jephtah to deliver the Israelites from the Ammonites. When Jephtah petitions for military assistance, the Ephraimites hold back. The reason they did this is not certain, but from my point of view, this is why: When the land was portioned out to the 12 Tribes, sometimes they fought over who got what. The Danites were notorious for this. But three tribes, Gad, Reuben, and Manasseh, did not want to settle west of the Jordan River. They wanted the rich land east of the river, known as Gilead Ephraim wants to annex the land of Gilead, it is rich in balm, a healing ointment. When Jephtah petitions for military assistance, they formulate a plan: hold back, then when the battle is over, accuse Jephtah of some form of treason or being a non-nationalist, then commandeer the land of Gilead, current shared by Gad, Reuben, and Manasseh. Now this passage is mainly historical, but I believe it does have a spiritual significance. Jesus is referred to as the Balm of Gilead because of Jeremiah 8:22. Had Ephraim been successful in annexing Giled to them, a tribe WEST of the Jordan River, scholars today could argue that Jesus was not interested in any territory EAST of the Jordan river, save for the fact that it belonged exclusively to Ephraim. Thus, by extrapolation, Jesus didn't care about the Gadites, Reubenites, or Manassites. But God had the last word on this, and their coup didn't work. Jephtah defeated the Ephraimites. In Revelation, when the 144,000 Jews are sealed (12,000 from each tribe), Ephraim is not included in the names of the tribes (neither is Dan).
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From Wikipedia: Shibboleth
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