trinity, godhead, or neither (Jesus Christ, translation, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, bible) - Page 4

Jensen · #31 08-25-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aqualung

I'm not really a big trinity authority, but I think the concept is just different views of the same god, not three seperate things. some people may refer to that as a godhead, but godhead in my view is a concept of three seperate beings. They are not just three views of one god. They are seperate and distinct, though united it purpose.

If you say that God is one, isn't that the trinity? Doesn't that make you beleive that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one God, but just different views or facets of the same God?

No, because God is an individual, and Jesus is the Son.

Jensen

Katzpur · #32 08-25-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jensen

No, because God is an individual, and Jesus is the Son.

Jensen

Jensen,

I'm confused. You disagreed with Aqualung, and yet he stated essentially the same thing you did -- that the Father and the Son are distinct individuals. What were you trying to say? (I have a feeling there may be others who are as confused by your statement as I am.)

Kathryn

michel · #33 08-25-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

Jensen,

I'm confused. You disagreed with Aqualung, and yet he stated essentially the same thing you did -- that the Father and the Son are distinct individuals. What were you trying to say? (I have a feeling there may be others who are as confused by your statement as I am.)

Kathryn

Hi, Katzpur. Maybe I was the one confused. I thought Aqualung meant that there is only one God, and this one God can only be in one place at one time. In other words, look at Him one way, you see the Father, another way and you see the Son, and another way and you see the Holy Spirit.

What I meant was that the Father is at Point A, the Son at Point B, and the Spirit at Point C, and yet you still have the Son at Point A, the Spirit at Point B, and the Father at Point C, etc.

Is that a mystery or what!?

Jensen · #34 08-25-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

Jensen,

I'm confused. You disagreed with Aqualung, and yet he stated essentially the same thing you did -- that the Father and the Son are distinct individuals. What were you trying to say? (I have a feeling there may be others who are as confused by your statement as I am.)

Kathryn

I believe that trinity means three, not one. I believe that God is not a classification, species, or essense that has three persons that are of that one. God is one Almighty God, and Jesus is the Son of God just as the bible says so many times.

michel · #35 08-25-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jensen

I believe that trinity means three, not one. I believe that God is not a classification, species, or essense that has three persons that are of that one. God is one Almighty God, and Jesus is the Son of God just as the bible says so many times.

Jensen, you're right on this. Trinity refers to 3 distinct, whereas Triune refers to 3-in-1.

I personally prefer the term 'Godhead'.

James the Persian · #36 08-26-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AV1611

Jensen, you're right on this. Trinity refers to 3 distinct, whereas Triune refers to 3-in-1.

I personally prefer the term 'Godhead'.

No, that is incorrect. Trinity refers to three in one. There is no difference in meaning between the words triune and trinity except that trinity is a noun and triune an adjective. The concept of the Trinity is not, and never was, that of three distinct gods nor of one God with three modes or facets. The Trinity doctrine is that God is one in three Hypostases.

James

michel · #37 08-26-2005, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by IacobPersul

No, that is incorrect. Trinity refers to three in one. There is no difference in meaning between the words triune and trinity except that trinity is a noun and triune an adjective. The concept of the Trinity is not, and never was, that of three distinct gods nor of one God with three modes or facets. The Trinity doctrine is that God is one in three Hypostases.

James

Well, like I said, God's preference is the word 'Godhead', and that's what I try to use as much as possible. This is a very good example of what happens when people change words in the Bible. They change it from 'Godhead' to 'Trinity', then argue that the word 'Trinity' is not in the Bible, or even argue what it means. Same thing for the word 'Rapture'. It's no wonder Jesus wept.

Jensen · #38 08-26-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AV1611

Jensen, you're right on this. Trinity refers to 3 distinct, whereas Triune refers to 3-in-1.

I personally prefer the term 'Godhead'.

I"m not sure you understand what I mean. I believe that God is one. One, not a trinity, not a triune God, not three distint persons that are one God, but that God is one. And one only.

Do you see what I mean and believe?

Katzpur · #39 08-26-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jensen

I"m not sure you understand what I mean. I believe that God is one. One, not a trinity, not a triune God, not three distint persons that are one God, but that God is one. And one only.

Do you see what I mean and believe?

I think that where I (and others) may be confused is that if you're a Christian, you've kind of ignored somebody -- be it God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost. On the other hand, you may be saying that you believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, but not divine. I'm just trying to get a feel for what you believe, and I don't think I'm doing very well. Now if you're not a Christian in the first place, what you're saying makes perfect sense.