Which Son is Jesus? (Jesus Christ, Creator, Earth, Messiah, virgin)

[MusicProducer]

Which Son is Jesus?

In the Old Testament the reader is introduced to two different Sons or Son of GOD. The first Sons or Son of GOD the reader is introduced to would be these.

Gen:6:2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job:1:6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job:2:1: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Dan:3:25: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


These Sons or Son of GOD seem to have been the first created existence by GOD and of GOD. In Job 38:7 GOD is referring to the time HE created our environment and as you can clearly see HE acknowledges the Sons or Son of GOD as being in existence during that time. Is that the Sons or Son of GOD Jesus himself professes to be?

That next Son of GOD the reader is introduced to is clearly of human existence and of the bloodline of David the King. This Son of GOD being in existence seems to be conditional and is in direct relations to the Covenant between GOD and Israel not being broken. The reader is introduced to this human Son of GOD through this passage.

2Sam:7:14: I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Or is this the Son of GOD Jesus himself is professing to be?

[Katzpur]

I believe that we are all sons and daughters of God, that we are His spirit children. I believe that, as spirit beings, we lived in Heaven with Him prior to birth. I believe that we are the sons (and daughters) of God spoken of in Job.

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. In other words, His relationship to our Father in Heaven is different from the rest of ours. Unlike us, He was not only a son of God, He was divine in His own right, and was the Creator of worlds without number, under His Father's direction. While we are God's spirit offspring, I believe that God the Father is literally Jesus' physical Father. (Please don't ask me how Jesus was conceived. I will tell you that I don't know, but that He was born of a Virgin.) At any rate, Jesus Christ, as the Son of God (with a capital 'S') has a true Father-Son relationship with God that is unique among all of God's children.

[Mister Emu]

Which son is He? The only begotten one.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I believe that we are all sons and daughters of God, that we are His spirit children. I believe that, as spirit beings, we lived in Heaven with Him prior to birth. I believe that we are the sons (and daughters) of God spoken of in Job.

Hi, Katzpur

I believe the SONS OF GOD mention in Job are angelic beings for this reason:

The book of Job is a book of Poetry.

In English poetry, there are two major types:

• compliments of SOUND - called rhyme
• compliments of TIME - called rhythm

But in Hebrew poetry, you have neither. Instead you have what is called:

• compliments of IDEAS
• contrasts of IDEAS

In complimentary Hebrew poetry, you have an idea stated, then the same point restated, using different words. What we would call reiteration.
In contrasting Hebrew poetry, you have an idea stated, then the same point countered, using different words. (Proverbs is full of this type of poetry.)

With that in mind, let's look at the passage in question:

Job 38:6-7 = ...OR WHO LAID THE CORNERSTONE THEREOF;

• WHEN THE MORNING STARS SANG TOGETHER,
• AND ALL THE SONS OF GOD SHOUTED FOR JOY?

Thus, idea stated: the morning stars ... idea restated differently sons of God

So, in conclusion, the MORNING STARS and the SONS OF GOD are one and the same, since Hebrew poetry is being used.

And since, in the context, it's the 1st day of Creation, these SONS OF GOD are ANGELS.

I hope this clarifies.

[may]

there are many angelic sons of God but Jesus was the first-born of all creation in fact there are angels in heaven doing the work of God...psalm 103; 20

Bless Jehovah, O YOU angels of his, mighty in power, carrying out his word,by listening to the voice of his word

(2 Chronicles 18:18) And he went on to say: "Therefore HEAR the word of Jehovah: I certainly see Jehovah sitting upon his throne and all the army of the heavens standing at his right and his left

(Revelation 5:11) And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,

Also, with reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire....hebrews 1;7

(Hebrews 12:22) But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels...........so there are the good angels doing the will of God ,and the bad angels who left Jehovahs service

And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day...jude 6

[MusicProducer]

Many belief systems are outside of the confines of the Bible and the Word of GOD. This is one of the main problems with religion today. People just invent what ever they want to invent what ever they want to believe. Humans have the ability to be Sons or Children of GOD but it is conditional. That condition is that we exist and stay within our Agreement with GOD, the Covenant. Otherwise we are referred to as Son of Man or Children of Men, we are the derivatives of Adam and Eve. We are not the Sons or Children of GOD while existing in a broken Covenant.



When it comes to the New Testament your belief starts to fall within the confines of the doctrines itself. Jesus is a Son of GOD and it is in harmony with how GOD introduces Jesus. To redefine or see Jesus as anything more or less is to deny GOD. GOD did not say Jesus is the Messiah, GOD did not say Jesus is an offspring of David, GOD did not say Jesus is Son of Man and GOD did not say Jesus is HIM. To believe in Jesus as anything else besides a Son of GOD is to deny GOD and that’s how Lucifer works in order to prove to GOD that you are not worthy of GOD. Never, ever, ever, deny GOD.

Jesus himself claims to be one of the Sons of GOD as referred to in Geneses which would mean he is professing to be the Fallen.

Jn:8:58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The only Sons of GOD that existed before Abraham are the ones as in Geneses and they are the ones that became the Nefilim or Fallen Servants of Heaven. The entire New Testament concept causes one to deny GOD. GOD called the sacrificing of offsprings an abomination.

Deut:12:31: Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

You are proving to GOD that you are not worthy of HIM when you believe HE would accept or commit to something HE Himself has described as an abomination and against the LAW. You are outright denying GOD Almighty. The New Testaments is being used to test our loyalty to the Word of GOD, GOD proves us.

Deut:13:3: Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

[michel]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

Many belief systems are outside of the confines of the Bible and the Word of GOD. This is one of the main problems with religion today. People just invent what ever they want to invent what ever they want to believe. Humans have the ability to be Sons or Children of GOD but it is conditional. That condition is that we exist and stay within our Agreement with GOD, the Covenant. Otherwise we are referred to as Son of Man or Children of Men, we are the derivatives of Adam and Eve. We are not the Sons or Children of GOD while existing in a broken Covenant.

What "broken covenant" are you referring to?

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by AV1611

What "broken covenant" are you referring to?

You need to read the Old Testament to have an understanding that GOD made a Covenant with the Children of Israel and the Stranger that journeyed with the Children of Israel.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by AV1611

I believe the SONS OF GOD mention in Job are angelic beings...

...the MORNING STARS and the SONS OF GOD are one and the same, since Hebrew poetry is being used.

Hi, AV.

I believe you're right. I would just take it a step further and say that you and I were among these angels, these sons (and daughters) of God.

Kathryn

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

He was not only a son of God, He was divine in His own right, and was the Creator of worlds without number, under His Father's direction. While we are God's spirit offspring, .

* I wish that you can proof for me that he is not only son like the others and like us but he was divine in his own right as you claim.

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I believe that God the Father is literally Jesus' physical Father. (Please don't ask me how Jesus was conceived. I will tell you that I don't know, but that He was born of a Virgin.).

* I'm totally shocked Katzpur because you are saying don't ask how because i feel sad when we neglect our logic and mind and we stick to unproven ideas that we used to hear it from our family, friends or in the school.

and if you think that he must be so because he was born of a Virgin so you have to add one more God (Adam) so they become 4 not 3 because Adam "peace be upon him" had no father and no mother ( not even a virgin ) but NON.

Originally Posted by Katzpur

At any rate, Jesus Christ, as the Son of God (with a capital 'S') has a true Father-Son relationship with God that is unique among all of God's children.

* you mean God had a wife and he got Jesus like that or he has no wife but he found him and adopt him or somthing??

please can you make it clear because i'm really confused