Jesus is God? (Messiah, HaShem, crucifixion, Kingdom, Jehovah)

[lockyfan]

I believe that there is God and then there is a god. so what that means is that Jehovah God is God Almighty, ruler of the heavens and the earth from time indefinate to time indefinate, but Jesus Christ is a god, in that he too is a ruler, the King that Jehovah God has crowned as his ruler of hid Kingdom. Jesus is the being who will rule god's kingdom, under which Jehovah god is the final ruler. therefore Jesus is A god, but not THE God

[kai]

Originally Posted by lockyfan

I believe that there is God and then there is a god. so what that means is that Jehovah God is God Almighty, ruler of the heavens and the earth from time indefinate to time indefinate, but Jesus Christ is a god, in that he too is a ruler, the King that Jehovah God has crowned as his ruler of hid Kingdom. Jesus is the being who will rule god's kingdom, under which Jehovah god is the final ruler. therefore Jesus is A god, but not THE God

so you have two gods a big one and a lesser one.

[Popeyesays]

"as i cannot pick and choose which is divine revelation and which is not i choose to step back and not choose to bow down to any of them because i may pick the wrong one and feel a little foolish if i devoted my life to christ and died and found myself in asgard"

The purpose of life is totaled up in a very short prayer for me:

"I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and worship Thee. I testify at this moment to my poverty and to Thy wealth, to my powerlessness and to Thy might. There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting."

We choose, or we fail to choose, a Christian has chosen, a Buddhist has chosen, etc., etc.. To fear to choose is also a choice--by default.

Regards,
Scott

[kai]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

"as i cannot pick and choose which is divine revelation and which is not i choose to step back and not choose to bow down to any of them because i may pick the wrong one and feel a little foolish if i devoted my life to christ and died and found myself in asgard"

The purpose of life is totaled up in a very short prayer for me:

"I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and worship Thee. I testify at this moment to my poverty and to Thy wealth, to my powerlessness and to Thy might. There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting."

We choose, or we fail to choose, a Christian has chosen, a Buddhist has chosen, etc., etc.. To fear to choose is also a choice--by default.

Regards,
Scott

i like to think that should i be wrong , a man such as myself who does meet his maker would be judged by his truth not his hypocracy , meaning that i was honest in my not choosing ,

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by kai

i like to think that should i be wrong , a man such as myself who does meet his maker would be judged by his truth not his hypocracy , meaning that i was honest in my not choosing ,

As Polonius said, "To thine own self be true, and thou shall not be false to any man."

But Laertes failed to be true to his own self, or he never would have fallen in with the King's plot to kill Hamlet.

I don't believe in damnation, the opportunity of this life is to advance one's self by one's own efforts. A wrong choice is preferential to no choice at all, at least it was an effort. Choice is an acheivment that cannot be underestimated.

The failure to choose is weakness. The decision to choose "No" is still a choice. But one has to justify that choice as much as any other.

Regards,
Scott

[Troublemane]

Originally Posted by CDB

'Jehovah is God the Son (Christ)
Elohim is God the Father.'

You either have two Gods, or you have the Son being his own Father.

Please explain this impossibility. Backed up with scripture.

In sci-fi stories people go back in time and become their own grandparents. Maybe thats what the idea is there?

[kai]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

As Polonius said, "To thine own self be true, and thou shall not be false to any man."

But Laertes failed to be true to his own self, or he never would have fallen in with the King's plot to kill Hamlet.

I don't believe in damnation, the opportunity of this life is to advance one's self by one's own efforts. A wrong choice is preferential to no choice at all, at least it was an effort. Choice is an acheivment that cannot be underestimated.

The failure to choose is weakness. The decision to choose "No" is still a choice. But one has to justify that choice as much as any other.

Regards,
Scott

the choice is of course only mine

i cannot reconcile myself to the old testement God of slaughter

i cannot reconcile myself to jesus being the son of God

and I cannot reconcile myself to the total submission of Islam

all that kind of puts me out Bahai also but my choice is to learn debate and take in information and the search goes on and who knows one day i may be ready to choose my own God

Nice debating with you Scott ---- peace Kai

[lockyfan]

Originally Posted by kai

so you have two gods a big one and a lesser one.

Well kind. its more of God Almighty Jehovah is the Afterward it came to be the day
Job 2:1
the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah,
Proverbs 8:22-30
“Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.

Jesus here is described as his master worker.

John 1:1-4
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in [the] beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men

Jesus helped Jehovah to create the earth and the heavens and he was there before all else, but is A god not The God. Jesus is the king of God's Kingdom but is not Almighty god, therefor I believe in One True God, and then also that through his son who is also a god, that we will have everlasting life on a paradise earth.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by kai