Jesus is God? (Messiah, HaShem, crucifixion, Kingdom, Jehovah) - Page 43

Popeyesays · #**421** 07-11-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalonyx

There was no "Adam", or "first man", evolutionaryily speaking, impossible.

How do you know?

Regards,
Scott

UnityNow101 · #**422** 07-11-2008, 05:45 PM

Because Charles Darwin says so, that's why...

spiritually inclined · #**423** 07-11-2008, 06:51 PM

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Jesus is God(YHWH). It seems to me that we are worshipping the same deity. Am I correct? Why or why not?

I cannot conceive of Jesus being God or divine in any literal way. I think too many metaphors and stories have been turned into history in Christianity.

James

UnityNow101 · #**424** 07-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Jesus may or may not be God. How can we know? There is no way for us to find out today, therefore we must seek for the truth that can be known. And the only way that I know how to do that is to seek within, as it is said that, "God made man in the image of God." If we were made in the image of God, wouldn't it make sense to look within ourselves to find the Divine that may or may not rest dorment within? Jesus led people to that realization, but it can only be taken up independantly by each individual...You can not rely on anyone else. Once the way has been show, seek to the best of your ability to find what may or may not be the truth..

Jeremy Mason · #**425** 07-12-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Popeyesays

In what sense, Jeremy? Who contributed a sperm to the egg?

Regards,
Scott

I want your opinion, since you already know mine. If you think it's a sperm and an egg, then who conceived the physical person Jesus? If you believe that God conceived Jesus through Marry, then tell me so.

Popeyesays · #**426** 07-12-2008, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

I want your opinion, since you already know mine. If you think it's a sperm and an egg, then who conceived the physical person Jesus? If you believe that God conceived Jesus through Marry, then tell me so.

God said "BE!" and all that is came into being.

It's the same with Mary and conceiving a child.

God said: "BE!" and Jesus was.

No sperm or egg required, merely the act of God's will.

But this is exactly how the Qur'an explains it, Jeremy. And the Qur'an does not claim that Jesus is the progeny of God--no sperm or "fatherhood" required.

Regards,
Scott

Jeremy Mason · #**427** 07-12-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Popeyesays

God said "BE!" and all that is came into being.

It's the same with Mary and conceiving a child.

God said: "BE!" and Jesus was.

No sperm or egg required, merely the act of God's will.

But this is exactly how the Qur'an explains it, Jeremy. And the Qur'an does not claim that Jesus is the progeny of God--no sperm or "fatherhood" required.

Regards,
Scott

Thank you for answering my question Scott.

Muffled · #**428** 07-12-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Popeyesays

To incarnate means that God would no longer be God at all, but just another being contingent upon the will of God to exist at all.

So, how can He be part of Creation and remain the Creator?

An artist might paint himswelf into a mural, but that image isw not the artist.

Regards,
Scott

Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit. Flesh can not become spirit and spirit can not become flesh:

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

In Adam the spirit of man was breathed in to the flesh and it became a living soul:

Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In Jesus (the last Adam) the flesh was created in the womb using the seed of David:

Luke 1:34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?

Popeyesays · #**429** 07-12-2008, 10:08 AM

"Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?"

Which is why you have dueling Gospels one trying to trace Jesus through Joseph's line of descent and one trying to trace Jesus through Mary's line of descent.

I'm sure you're not implying that Mary conceived Jesus through artificial insemination?

If God could create Jesus as an act of will, then He could create Him using any genetic template He chose or didn't choose, it just is the seed of David because God says it is.

I agree Jesus was a "holy thing [gotta love the KJV]", and calling Him the Son of God as a title is certainly acceptable, thinking He is the actual progeny of God in some way other than created by God is silly.

Regards,
Scott