Jesus is God? (Messiah, HaShem, crucifixion, Kingdom, Jehovah)

[TempleZionBoi-Rom.10:3]

in that quote "strong hand" "outstretch arm" and "finger" are all refering to his power

[Poisonshady313]

His Arm represents the kindness He had shown to Israel... that He had heard our cries and reached in with an outstretched arm to pull us out of the house of bondage... and with strong hand (power), He delivered the plagues to Egypt.

[Muffled]

Originally Posted by nawab

exactly Jesus was not condeming all the tribe of israel, remeember he was also from the tribe of israel, I am more suprised by the divinity of Jesus rather than Jesus being a prophet. If Jesus was a prophet it can be, but the divinity of Jesus is already going against the idea of the Abrahamic Faith the unity of the Almighty God. The Lord of the Universe. I feel that why Jews dont accept Jesus has mainly to do with Christians, because they claim that Jesus is divine and co-equal with God which is a great blasphemy of the higest order

It is only blasphemy if it isn't true. The facts show that God supported Christianity and dispersed Judaism. And although God has prospered Islam to overcome countires that were rife with idolatry, He has not prospered Islamic countries attacking Christian countries.

This is not the case. God is one wherever He is and He is everwhere. The fact that He is in Jesus does not eliminiate that oneness and Jesus proclaimed it:
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.

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Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

That's all true... but we also have reason to believe he was a false prophet.

For 1, the sign of Jonah.
2. When he looked at the temple and its surrounding buildings and said "these will all be destroyed so that one brick shall not be left standing on top of another"
3. “For the Son of Man [i.e. Jesus] is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to his deeds. I assure you [i.e. swear to you] that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man [Jesus] come as King.”


There are others... but this is a start.

It is an interesting proposition for which I trust you have a thread. I would agree with you that Jesus could not be a false prophet and be God but I don't agree with you that Jesus is a false prophet.

[Popeyesays]

To incarnate means that God would no longer be God at all, but just another being contingent upon the will of God to exist at all.

So, how can He be part of Creation and remain the Creator?

An artist might paint himswelf into a mural, but that image isw not the artist.

Regards,
Scott

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

To incarnate means that God would no longer be God at all, but just another being contingent upon the will of God to exist at all.

So, how can He be part of Creation and remain the Creator?

An artist might paint himswelf into a mural, but that image isw not the artist.

Regards,
Scott

Scott, who was Jesus' Dad?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Scott, who was Jesus' Dad?

In what sense, Jeremy? Who contributed a sperm to the egg?

Regards,
Scott

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

In what sense, Jeremy? Who contributed a sperm to the egg?

Regards,
Scott

According to Celsus, Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

According to Celsus, Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera.

I do not believe sperm and egg were required. Simply the act of God's will upon Mary, just as God willed Adam into existence from clay.

Regards,
Scott