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Old 03-26-2008, 03:40 PM
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'Jehovah is God the Son (Christ)
Elohim is God the Father.'

You either have two Gods, or you have the Son being his own Father.

Please explain this impossibility. Backed up with scripture.
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came to be through him
and without him nothing came
To be.
What came to be through him was
life,
and this life was the light of
the human race;
the light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not
overcome it. John 1,1-5

And , the Word became flesh
and made his dwelling place among us,
and we saw his glory,
and the glory as the Father's only Son,
full of grace and truth. John 1, 14

Jesus revealed himself to his disciples and the text does indicate ,he to be one, with the Father
there are good reasons why we talk about mysteries in the Christian faith and this is not the only one.
To think we should be able to understand everything about God is arrogant of us since we don't even understand
everything He created.How much more complex must the Creator be. Mindblowing I'd say. I'm just enormously
grateful for His personal side which allows us to have a relationship with Him.
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:18 PM
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In the beginning was the Word,

Jesus revealed himself to his disciples and the text does indicate ,he to be one, with the Father
So far I'm with you. This is confirmed in John 17:21,22 and 23

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there are good reasons why we talk about mysteries in the Christian faith and this is not the only one.
I really haven't seen any mysteries throughout the four gospels. Yeshua, to me, made his mission and position quite clear. It really isn't hard to follow or understand.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:11 PM
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So far I'm with you. This is confirmed in John 17:21,22 and 23



I really haven't seen any mysteries throughout the four gospels. Yeshua, to me, made his mission and position quite clear. It really isn't hard to follow or understand.
I was only responding to the " impossibility" of two beings in one and of course in my faith it is three. The Trinity.
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'Jesus revealed himself to his disciples and the text does indicate, he to be one, with the Father...
I was only responding to the " impossibility" of two beings in one and of course in my faith it is three. The Trinity.'

Michel07, If God really is three beings in one, why would he say:

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me

andDeuteronomy 6:4


Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Notice clearly that there is no 'WE'! There is only ONE God and he is ONE being, not three.

Can't find 'we are thy God' in the Bible anywhere...

The Son of God is NOT God the Son!



And have you stopped to think that since God cannot die, and if Jesus is supposed to be 'God the Son', then entire passages of the New Testament are completely false?
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:53 AM
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'Jesus revealed himself to his disciples and the text does indicate, he to be one, with the Father...
I was only responding to the " impossibility" of two beings in one and of course in my faith it is three. The Trinity.'

Michel07, If God really is three beings in one, why would he say:

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me

andDeuteronomy 6:4


Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Notice clearly that there is no 'WE'! There is only ONE God and he is ONE being, not three.

Can't find 'we are thy God' in the Bible anywhere...

The Son of God is NOT God the Son!



And have you stopped to think that since God cannot die, and if Jesus is supposed to be 'God the Son', then entire passages of the New Testament are completely false?


this is where christianity steps away from judaism and in fact have a "different" god that may have changed his own essence depending on which faith your in of course
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:38 AM
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this is where christianity steps away from judaism and in fact have a "different" god that may have changed his own essence depending on which faith your in of course
Masn cannot define God. Therefore any attempt to perceive the imperceivable is doomed to failure. God is as He is, not as we attempt to define Him.

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we dont have to define him ,he defines himself through scripture and revelation. i am of course speaking of Yahweh , the Christgod and Allah
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Could it be that the biblical Jesus was a myth(not a god), the story was taken from preexistent myths that were very similar.
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we dont have to define him ,he defines himself through scripture and revelation. i am of course speaking of Yahweh , the Christgod and Allah
No, He does not describe Himself, the Prophet speaks His Revelation which is limited in its ability to define the indefinable. To assume that language can define the indefinable is not reasonable.

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