Jesus is God? (Messiah, HaShem, crucifixion, Kingdom, Jehovah)

[emiliano]

We are going to go in circles, all that I want to say is what I already said before, this is the problem with dead languages, the main religion Judaism is a post exilic religion that lost it language and it was the scribes that translated and interpreted their doctrines, we can see that the word one was used as a compounded one and my question is who do we trust? Personally I made my decision I believe what Jesus said about the tweaking that the scribes perpetrate on the scriptures, He said “bind heavy and hard-to-carry burdens and lay them on men's shoulders” in order to exploit them.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and pray at length as a pretense. Therefore you shall receive the greater condemnation”
“Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor” what a tweak ah!
Mat 23:27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Therefore, behold, I send prophets and wise men and scribes to you. And you will kill and crucify some of them. And some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city;
Who can we trust?

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by emiliano

We are going to go in circles, all that I want to say is what I already said before, this is the problem with dead languages, the main religion Judaism is a post exilic religion that lost it language and it was the scribes that translated and interpreted their doctrines, we can see that the word one was used as a compounded one and my question is who do we trust? Personally I made my decision I believe what Jesus said about the tweaking that the scribes perpetrate on the scriptures, He said “bind heavy and hard-to-carry burdens and lay them on men's shoulders” in order to exploit them.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and pray at length as a pretense. Therefore you shall receive the greater condemnation”
“Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor” what a tweak ah!
Mat 23:27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Therefore, behold, I send prophets and wise men and scribes to you. And you will kill and crucify some of them. And some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city;
Who can we trust?

I believe Jesus was a false prophet, thus his words are unreliable. It's more likely to me that he was cursing righteous men.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

You've said this over and over start a new thread for God's sake. Don't be a troll on this one.

Regards,
Scott

I'm responding directly to a comment made by emiliano. If my comments bug you so much, put me on ignore.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I apologize, I was confusing threads, i.e. Jesus died (but not on the cross) thread.

I'll delete my post if you like.

Regards,
Scott

Please do. And when you do, I'll delete this one and the other one responding to it.

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

I believe Jesus was a false prophet, thus his words are unreliable. It's more likely to me that he was cursing righteous men.

But the Lord was just echoing what the prophet Ezekiel prophesied , do you believe in him? Eze 34:1 And the Word of Jehovah came to me, saying,
Eze 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say to them, So says the Lord Jehovah to the shepherds: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Was Ezekiel a false prophet cursing righteous men?
Eze 34:10 So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock. Nor shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, and they will not be food to devour.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by emiliano

But the Lord was just echoing what the prophet Ezekiel prophesied , do you believe in him? Eze 34:1 And the Word of Jehovah came to me, saying,
Eze 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say to them, So says the Lord Jehovah to the shepherds: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Was Ezekiel a false prophet cursing righteous men?
Eze 34:10 So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock. Nor shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, and they will not be food to devour.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Ezekiel was not a false prophet. Jesus was.

Gee, that was easy.

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

Ezekiel was not a false prophet. Jesus was.

Gee, that was easy.

It is clear from what the prophet Ezekiel prophesied that Israel is no longer the Holy priesthood from the exile onward, that God will require His flock at the hand of the religious leader, and that God Himself will deliver flock from their mouth, and they will not be food to devour. And you are out of the loop and blinded, soooo what your judgments of what constitute a false prophet is of no consequence .
Eze 34:11 For so says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out
It is clear enough that God who is a spirit would come and do all this “The Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us” in Christ Jesus.
Craiky! That was easy.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by emiliano

It is clear from what the prophet Ezekiel prophesied that Israel is no longer the Holy priesthood from the exile onward, that God will require His flock at the hand of the religious leader, and that God Himself will deliver flock from their mouth, and they will not be food to devour. And you are out of the loop and blinded, soooo what your judgments of what constitute a false prophet is of no consequence .
Eze 34:11 For so says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out
It is clear enough that God who is a spirit would come and do all this “The Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us” in Christ Jesus.
Craiky! That was easy.

A common mistake for those who don't know what the prophets are saying is to assume that the condemnation of a particular generation of Jews doing the wrong things extends to all of Israel forever and ever.

I am neither out of the loop nor blinded. And the Torah is the basis for what makes a prophet a prophet (or a false prophet.. Deuteronomy 18, among other places)

[nawab]

exactly Jesus was not condeming all the tribe of israel, remeember he was also from the tribe of israel, I am more suprised by the divinity of Jesus rather than Jesus being a prophet. If Jesus was a prophet it can be, but the divinity of Jesus is already going against the idea of the Abrahamic Faith the unity of the Almighty God. The Lord of the Universe. I feel that why Jews dont accept Jesus has mainly to do with Christians, because they claim that Jesus is divine and co-equal with God which is a great blasphemy of the higest order

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by nawab

exactly Jesus was not condeming all the tribe of israel, remeember he was also from the tribe of israel, I am more suprised by the divinity of Jesus rather than Jesus being a prophet. If Jesus was a prophet it can be, but the divinity of Jesus is already going against the idea of the Abrahamic Faith the unity of the Almighty God. The Lord of the Universe. I feel that why Jews dont accept Jesus has mainly to do with