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The four gospels do not show him to be God at all and Rev. 3:12 disagrees with you...
God has a baby with a woman/Marry and that's not in the Gospels? your reading skills do not apply to the first chapter of Matthew:

The Birth of Jesus Christ

Matthew 1:18-25 (NIV)
18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins."
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."
24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.



Did you get the part where Mary has no sex with Joseph and that God/Holy Spirit and Marry conceive Jesus. Notice Joseph is getting a heads-up in this manifestation of God. Is it coming into focus for you?
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God has a baby with a woman/Marry and that's not in the Gospels? your reading skills do not apply to the first chapter of Matthew:

The Birth of Jesus Christ

Matthew 1:18-25 (NIV)
18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."
24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.



Did you get the part where Mary has no sex with Joseph and that God/Holy Spirit and Marry conceive Jesus. Notice Joseph is getting a heads-up in this manifestation of God. Is it coming into focus for you?
Well, you did right by staying away from the quotes in Revelation seeing as though they show God on the throne to be separate from the lamb (Yeshua the Messiah) whom God hands the scroll to, to be open.......

As far as the Holy Spirit......All you have shown here it that God caused Mary to be pregnant without male intervention. We know, by observing the scriptures, that Yeshua existed in heaven with his god before his god "sent" him to earth. It would appear the method inwhich he was sent was by the will, as Yeshua says, and by the power (holy spirit) of God.

We know that no physical act occured between her and her god so God is not a biological father in the sense that we understand it but we know that God is the reason for Adams beginning as well and he is referred to as the son of God. In fact the bible states that God has plenty of sons.

The holy spirit, which you call God, is present within people throughout the bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth were filled with the holy spirit. Are they to be considred "God in the flesh"......?........If Yeshua is God and the holy spirit is God then why did the holy spirit decend upon himself?

As far as the reference to (Immanuel/Emmanuel)....No where in the four gospels was Yeshua referred to by that descrption. This was purely the writers intepretation regarding an OT prophecy. Mary was instruscted to call her son "Yeshua" and that's what she did....son of God has never been synonymous with (God).

I stand by my previous post. If you like you can continue to assert Yeshua to be God but you'd be hard pressed to explain why the acended Yeshua, who is supposed to be God, would tell John he has a god (not 1 but 4 times in "one" verse). You'd also be hard pressed to explain why, if Yeshua is God, does the "Lamb" in heaven, who is supposed to be Yeshua the Messiah, steps forward to take the scroll from God because he is the only one deemed worth to open the seals. Remember...God had the scroll in his possesion...his creation asks.."Who's worthy of opening the seals"....NONE of Gods' creation would dare ask if God was worthy. They knew it was to be opened by some one other than their god.....
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God has a baby with a woman/Marry and that's not in the Gospels? your reading skills do not apply to the first chapter of Matthew:

The Birth of Jesus Christ

Matthew 1:18-25 (NIV)
18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins."
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."
24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.



Did you get the part where Mary has no sex with Joseph and that God/Holy Spirit and Marry conceive Jesus. Notice Joseph is getting a heads-up in this manifestation of God. Is it coming into focus for you?
In Hebrew the verse in the old Testament does not refcer to a 'virgin' but a 'young woman'. It also specifies the name God is With Us (Emmanuel). Do you not notice the differences?

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In Hebrew the verse in the old Testament does not refcer to a 'virgin' but a 'young woman'. It also specifies the name God is With Us (Emmanuel). Do you not notice the differences?

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Scott--FYI Matthew is in the NT. What OT Scripture are you referring to? Secondly, most Christian scholars will tell you that Marry was a virgin.
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Scott--FYI Matthew is in the NT. What OT Scripture are you referring to? Secondly, most Christian scholars will tell you that Marry was a virgin.
The "WRITER" of the book of Matthew is is interpreting an OT prophecy and attributing it to Yeshua. it is located in;

Isaiah 7:14 ( Masoretic Text) NOT the Septuagint translation. I find the Mesorectic Text to be a better rendering.

Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

This one verse was translated and the word for (young woman) was rendered (virgin) and affixed to Mary. As you study beyond that verse you quickly discover that this is just one piece of a continuous prophecy for the benefit of the king in that day in time. The prophecy was told to the king so that he would be a witness.
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Isaiah 7:14

14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

This is from the Septaguint (Greek translation of the TaNakh).

The Masoretic text (original Hebrew) in English translation reaeds:
"14. Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel."

The word for "virgin" in Hebrew is NOT USED in the TaNakh, rather the word for "young woman" which includes any woman up untril she is proven barren or has her first child.

Please understand I do believe Mary was a virgin. I do believe the Spirit of God was the instrument by which God willed her to be pregnant without ever lying with a man.

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Just for the sake of argument, why would being born of a supposed virgin make someone a god?
Yea, that's the kicker.......it doesn't. History (mythology) is full of of god/man deities born with no earthly father....

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It might be the basis for a scientific investigation into the matter.
Well...as usual.....no one else was there to backup her claim. Either she was telling the truth or was just a convincing storyteller....
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