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Old 04-17-2008, 06:57 PM
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Sure they are.......ALL of those quotes showed they were.....

Yeshua and his god were one in purpose but not one in the same.......as Yeshua prayed to his god that ALL of his followers would be one with them.....
Do you believe that Jesus was without sin?
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Old 04-18-2008, 05:16 AM
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Do you believe that Jesus was without sin?

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Do you believe that Jesus was without sin?
Now what does this have to do with Yeshua, his followers and their god being one in purpose?

Is this going to be the classic christian move of asking questions like this? You want me to say yes so that you can then say....well, he must be God because God is the only one that is perfect and without sin......Been there and done that....!

John chapter 17 has nothing to do with Yeshua being God. He is simply praying to and begging his god. There is nothing there to suggest that was God praying to God.
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:22 PM
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Now what does this have to do with Yeshua, his followers and their god being one in purpose?

Is this going to be the classic christian move of asking questions like this? You want me to say yes so that you can then say....well, he must be God because God is the only one that is perfect and without sin......Been there and done that....!

John chapter 17 has nothing to do with Yeshua being God. He is simply praying to and begging his god. There is nothing there to suggest that was God praying to God.
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The basis is right there in the whole of chapter 17. No interpretation needed really.

17:3 answers the question quite well (You are God, I am your blessed representative, You sent me).

Yeshua says as he was (with) his god before the world was created his god taught him. As he was being sent here he came not of his (own separate will) but the will of his god that sent him. He informs us that it was his god who ordered him what to say and gave him guidance and aid by blessing him whith the holy spirit. It was Yeshua who said that he only spoke those things which he saw with his god. He was the one who said that power was (given) to him in heaven. It was John (The Baptist) who said Yeshua comes speaking the word of God whom God (gave) the spirit without measure or limit. It was Martha who said to him that she knew that (whatever) he asked of God God would give to him.

If he was in heaven with his own separate will and had to be given power then there is no way he can be God. In order to be given there must be a giver. In order to be taught there must be a teacher. In order to be sent there must be a sender. For him to have been a servant there must be a master. These are things he said...not me. These are right there in your scripture.

The bible portrays him as the one asking, begging, pleading and praying to his god. His god was self sufficient, omipotent and omniscient. Yeshua was none of these things. When in the garden praying and begging for his life to be spared an angel appeared to him and strengthened him. When wanting food from the fig tree he was unaware the tree was not in season to bare fruit so he cursed it and it died. He expressed that he (the son) nor any of the angels are aware of the last day but this knowledge is reserved to his master/father (his god). This is all right there in your scripture. If what I said is not true then show me where it is wrong. Yeshua knew he wasn't God nor did he teach he was. He taught that he and his god were one in pupose but not one in the same. He told his followers that he prayed that they all (he, his god and the disciples) would be one in purpose. He always knew he was separate from God and never taught that they were the same.

John 14:22-24
22 Judas (not Judas Iscariot, but the other disciple with that name) said to him, "Lord, why are you going to reveal yourself only to us and not to the world at large?"

23 Jesus replied, "All those who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and (we) will come to them and live with them.

24 Anyone who doesn't love me will not do what I say. And remember, my words are not my own. This message is from the Father who sent me.
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Is this going to be the classic christian move of asking questions like this? You want me to say yes so that you can then say....well, he must be God because God is the only one that is perfect and without sin......Been there and done that....!
Yeah, How did that work out for you? It seem to me that when someone confronts you with reason you back away and not answer the question. Great way to debate... The point here is quite simple, if Jesus was without sin then he must be God. The only thing biblically, that can be perfect is God. This is the white sheep the Israelites used to atone for there sins. The only thing that can atone for sin is the blood of the innocent, this being Jesus/God/Perfection. To say Jesus was not perfect is to defy the basic tenants of Judeaism and Christianity.

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John chapter 17 has nothing to do with Yeshua being God. He is simply praying to and begging his god. There is nothing there to suggest that was God praying to God.
Once again you used Jesus's recognition of the God-head as evidence of Jesus not being God. Jesus is a subordinate of the Father, but shares the authority and God would not give all authority to someone who was just a man. Jesus had to be God to be given this lofty title.
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John 20:28
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."
Somehow, I think Thomas' real intent would best have been expressed as "Well, I'll be damned!" But he had better sense than to say that in the company which surrounded him.

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I know that there are a good many christians out their who believe that those who follow the jewish religion need to be saved because they do not worship Jesus. So, quick question:

Jesus is God(YHWH). It seems to me that we are worshipping the same deity. Am I correct? Why or why not?
Interesting question, the unswear is yes , When a Christian worship Jesus/the son, he/she worship YHWH the father, these are the tenet of Christianity, as for “ know that there are a good many christians out their who believe that those who follow the jewish religion need to be saved because they do not worship Jesus” the reason that they are not save is because they don’t have a mediator, an attorney that can stand by their side, they want to present their work s and righteousness to obtain their entry to the kingdom, but they don’t have none of that
Psa 2:10 And now be wise, O kings; be instructed, O judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled in but a little time. Blessed are all who put their trust in Him.
It isn’t that they don’t worship him, it that they believe that they will present themselves on the day of judgment on their own merits and works, instead of presenting Jesus righteousness, coming in His name not theirs.
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