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Old 04-04-2008, 07:06 AM
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What Bible are you using?
It does not appear in the RSV. The 32 (Christian) scholars did not find that verse in the earliest of manuscripts so it has been removed. They (These Christian scholars) were backed by 50 (Cooperating Denominations). I think it's great when scholars, christians might I add, get together and realize that the text they have are not what they appeared to be thus they are willing to make "corrections".....

Additionally, I have shown, that early church leaders were not quoting Matthew 28:19 the way it appears in the bible today. This is why I gave the reference to Pamphilus. He was a key member in helping to formulate early church doctrine and the scripture he read from was not rendered the way it is today.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:15 AM
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If it is truth it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks does it?
But that's the point that is being made. You quote from these scriptures as though they are truth. There's nothing wrong in what you're doing. We're simply showing that scholars are challenging the (Septuagint) rendering and discovering, historically, verses were either added and or changed so they are now being corrected.
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Rather WHAT is the word of God.

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The word of god is is the vehicle of his message to human that was inspired by the Holy Spirit and delivered by prophets and Jesus the messiah/ God incarnate.
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"The same was in the beginning with God.1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. "

him is the pronoun twice and the noun to which it refers is God. So by the rules of grammar you're wrong.

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:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
the" him" here is jesus because God didnt bleed on the cross or please himself that fulness dwell in him.
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":15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) of every creature:"

This, of course would be Adam who was created in the image of God.

Here's the first section of the first chapter of John: (Young's Literal)
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John 1


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2this one was in the beginning with God;
3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
5and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
6There came a man -- having been sent from God -- whose name [is] John,
7this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
8that one was not the Light, but -- that he might testify about the Light.
9He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
10in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him:
11to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
12but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
13who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten.
14And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
15John doth testify concerning him, and hath cried, saying, `This was he of whom I said, He who after me is coming, hath come before me, for he was before me;'
16and out of his fulness did we all receive, and grace over-against grace;
17for the law through Moses was given, the grace and the truth through Jesus Christ did come;
18God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.
19And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent out of Jerusalem priests and Levites, that they might question him, `Who art thou?'
20and he confessed and did not deny, and confessed -- `I am not the Christ.' 21And they questioned him, `What then? Elijah art thou?' and he saith, `I am not.' -- `The prophet art thou?' and he answered, `No.' "
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It's easier to figure out pronouns if it's intact.

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The word of god is is the vehicle of his message to human that was inspired by the Holy Spirit and delivered by prophets and Jesus the messiah/ God incarnate.

So are we to assume all of God's prophets are God incarnate as well?

Read the book of Haggai...and one thing you will notice is Haggai brings the word of God and appears to speak as though it is God speaking...Can we conclude that Haagai is God incarnate?
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So are we to assume all of God's prophets are God incarnate as well?

Read the book of Haggai...and one thing you will notice is Haggai brings the word of God and appears to speak as though it is God speaking...Can we conclude that Haagai is God incarnate?
Haggai is a lesser prophet, like Habbakuk, Micah or Isaiah for instance. They r.efer to a Great Prophet for authority. Moses spoke upon His own authority, Jesus spoke on His own authority. So did Krshna, Muhammed, Zoroaster, Buddha, the Bab or Baha`u'llah. That is what makes them Great Prophets and Founders of religions.

Arabic distinguishes them by discrete words: "nabi" for a lesser prophet, "rasul" for a Great Prophet.

Greater or Lesser, the Prophet speaks the word of God for man to hear and will often speak AS God would speak, if we could but hear Him.

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Haggai is a lesser prophet, like Habbakuk, Micah or Isaiah for instance. They r.efer to a Great Prophet for authority. Moses spoke upon His own authority, Jesus spoke on His own authority. So did Krshna, Muhammed, Zoroaster, Buddha, the Bab or Baha`u'llah. That is what makes them Great Prophets and Founders of religions.

Arabic distinguishes them by discrete words: "nabi" for a lesser prophet, "rasul" for a Great Prophet.

Greater or Lesser, the Prophet speaks the word of God for man to hear and will often speak AS God would speak, if we could but hear Him.

Regards,

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I agree and I do understand. I was attempting to show how God in the bible used Haggai to bring the word of God to the people and and when you read it....It can give one the impression that God is speaking directly through Haggai.....
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