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Old 04-03-2008, 11:32 AM
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God. The answer is at the end of the passage.

The Son of God is the Word made manifest, the express image of God, but not God himself.
I agree. The NT shows that God's (WORD).....has been given to Yeshua to give to man. Yeshua was the physical representation of God's word.......but so was Moses, Abraham and the rest.....

In the case of Yeshua not only do we get this confirmation from John (The Baptist) but we get it from Yeshua himself.

John 3:34 (From John - The Baptist)
For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John 17:4 and 17:14 (From Yeshua - His prayer to his god)
I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do.

I have given them your word; and the world has hated them (God's word) because they (God's word - not Yeshua or Yeshua's word) are not of the world, even as I (Yeshua) am not of the world.

So I do agree with the statement of John 1:14 but not the way trinitarians do. God made manifest (brought forth) his "word" (doctrine) through Yeshua and Yeshua's task was to deliver the word of God to the people (lost sheep).

This is why Yeshua said;

John 7:16
Jesus answered them and said, “my doctrine are not Mine, but His who sent Me.

John 12:49
I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me gave me his own instructions as to what I should say.


I'm not sure why most insist on looking beyond these statements.....or maybe it's just How they interpret them.......
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:24 PM
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And don"t forget.....
"Hear, Oh Isreal, the Lord, our God, the Lord is one." Duet 6:4

The Hebrew word used here for "one" is echad, meaning quite simply: one.
There is another word used to denote three
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:39 PM
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And don"t forget.....
"Hear, Oh Isreal, the Lord, our God, the Lord is one." Duet 6:4

The Hebrew word used here for "one" is echad, meaning quite simply: one.
There is another word used to denote three
I agree......
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:19 PM
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God. The answer is at the end of the passage.

The Son of God is the Word made manifest, the express image of God, but not God himself.

Remember that Jesus is the only begotten (born) Son of God.
God gave birth to his Son.
And since there is no Mrs. God, then the Son is going to come out looking EXACTLY like his Father, since no other material than God material was there in the first place.
if this is what this passage means then why must the watchtower change john1:1 to "a" God and not just God.it was changed for a reason becuase the article a grammatically in greek doesnt fit.
The eternal Word, who was to be made man (John 1:14), is God (not merely "a god" as some have alleged)

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
john is speaking of jesus. and if he wasnt God how did he create everything?
Jesus Christ certainly is not a created being--not even the first created being--as many have argued, for the obvious reason that He Himself is the Creator of all things in heaven and earth, material and spiritual, visible or invisible. Only God can create, and God did not create Himself (John 1:1-3; Ephesians 3:9; Hebrews 1:3)
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"The same was in the beginning with God.1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. "

him is the pronoun twice and the noun to which it refers is God. So by the rules of grammar you're wrong.

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And don"t forget.....
"Hear, Oh Isreal, the Lord, our God, the Lord is one." Duet 6:4

The Hebrew word used here for "one" is echad, meaning quite simply: one.
There is another word used to denote three

Gen 1 , 26
Then God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Isaiah 6, 3

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of Hosts!.

Isaiah 48, 16
Come near to me and hear this!
Not from the beginning did I speak it in secret;
" Now the Lord, God has sent me,
and his spirit.

Matthew 28, 19

Go ,therefore, and make disciples
of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father,and of the Son, and of the
holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all
that I have commanded you. And behold,
I am with you always until the end of the age.

1 John 5, 7

So there are three that testify,
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Gen 1 , 26
Then God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Isaiah 6, 3

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of Hosts!.

Isaiah 48, 16
Come near to me and hear this!
Not from the beginning did I speak it in secret;
" Now the Lord, God has sent me,
and his spirit.

Matthew 28, 19

Go ,therefore, and make disciples
of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father,and of the Son, and of the
holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all
that I have commanded you. And behold,
I am with you always until the end of the age.

1 John 5, 7

So there are three that testify,
I don't think that amounts to testimony as you would like to thin it might.

Regards,
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Matthew 28, 19

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holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all
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I am with you always until the end of the age.
Still quoting this one I see.....

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1 John 5, 7
Been removed from the bible already and regarded as an interpolation...
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What Bible are you using?
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