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Old 04-01-2008, 06:41 AM
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And I am no longer the person I was when I began this sentence.

BTW: I just thought, Scott...
If you were in fact God incarnate, do you actually think you would have to say so? I liken it to asking the prices for meals in a very expensive restaurant. If you have to ask the prices, you simply cannot afford to eat there. Likewise, if one is driven to proclaim, "I am god" the chances are that they are not.
Anthropomorphizing again, Paul.

It takes a Moses or a Jesus to be able to commune with God to the point that a meaningful revelation can be communicated.

Once again, no human can be God incarnate because a human is finite and God is not.

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Old 04-01-2008, 07:05 AM
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And I am no longer the person I was when I began this sentence.
You are and you aren't.
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:43 AM
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The stronger verse is the one where Jesus says of the end times that He doesn't know when that is...only the Father knows.

So if Jesus is God then he has a very compartmentalized memory or something.
I rather like the explicit declaration in John 17:3 Where Yeshua, in his prayer to his god, says "You are the true god and I am the anointed one whom you have sent"

I think in order to be sent there must be a sender.....A trinitarian on this thread has said over and over again that God "can pray to himself" so it's to be expected that Yeshua is God....... I don't buy it....
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:48 AM
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Then why was all power and authority in heaven and earth given to him? Why is he sitting at the right hand of the Father?
Now look at your question. Can you honestly say he is God?

"Authority and power was given to him in heaven"

Who "GAVE" him this? If he is God what can be given to him if all belongs to him....if he is the creator and sole controller?

In order to be given.....there must be a giver.

If he sits next to God how can he then be God?
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Anthropomorphizing again, Paul.

It takes a Moses or a Jesus to be able to commune with God to the point that a meaningful revelation can be communicated.

Once again, no human can be God incarnate because a human is finite and God is not.

Regards,

Scott
So, what you are saying Scott is that "god" is not omnipotent, as there are some things that "god" cannot do. Is that, at least, fair to say?
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:33 AM
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Well, now we get into the whole idea of the trinity. "Baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit," Jesus is a subordinate of the Father but shares authority. This subject has its own thread but to some it up; there are people like myself who believe that the term "God" implies a collective like a team. Others don't. As long as Jesus has all authority, he's God to me.
Some church leaders didn't quote it that way;

Eusebius Pamphilus quoted it as;

“Mt. 28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mt. 28:19: Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in my name:
Mt. 28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Quotation found in his “Oration in praise of the Emperor Constantine,” Chapter XVI, (335 A.D.), in “The Church History of Eusebius”, Book III, Chapter V (324 A.D.). in his Demonstratio Evangelica Book III, Chapter 6 (318 A.D.), in his Theophania
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How do you square the title of "Prince of Peace" being applied to Jesus when Jesus said He came not to bring peace but a sword?
Additionally these quotes here;

Luke 22:35,36,38

35 Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler's bag, or extra clothing, did you lack anything?" "No," they replied.

36 "But now," he said, "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your clothes and buy one!

38 "Lord," they replied, "we have two swords among us." "That's enough," he said.

And it also makes me think of the story in Luke 19. where some people, even some muslims, say this is Yeshua condoning violence against his enemies in the story he told.
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Anthropomorphizing again, Paul.
No, Scott. I am not especially prone to that, although I would suggest you do more than you might think. It was a simple "what if" scenario to make a rather valid point.

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It takes a Moses or a Jesus to be able to commune with God to the point that a meaningful revelation can be communicated.
It would simply not occur to me to put the being alleged to be Moses in the same category as the Christ, Scott. Heck, Moses didn't even know where he was going and there is that nasty business of chatting with burning shrubs. I might be inclined to compare Moses to Muhammed, but only under cosiderable duress.
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