Jesus is God? (Messiah, HaShem, crucifixion, Kingdom, Jehovah)

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Michel07

In the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God. Gospel of John chapter 1 verse 1


and the Word became flesh... Gospel of John Chapter 1 verse 14

settled.... You either believe or you don't but it's not as
though it's not in the Bible.

The word was "BE!" and the Flesh was all of Creation.

Regards,
Scott

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Jesus said that he existed before Abraham. what was he if he could do that?

Preexistent, and therefore more than just a human like us.

That may or may not mean Jesus was God, however.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

If John had meant to claim Jesus is God, he would have. However, he said Jesus was the Son of God and the Messiah. The Messiah is not God, and the Son of God is not God.

Regards,
Scott

The stronger verse is the one where Jesus says of the end times that He doesn't know when that is...only the Father knows.

So if Jesus is God then he has a very compartmentalized memory or something.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Booko

Preexistent, and therefore more than just a human like us.

That may or may not mean Jesus was God, however.

Then why was all power and authority in heaven and earth given to him? Why is he sitting at the right hand of the Father?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Muffled

You need to read my OP in: "Is Jesus God in the Flesh" under Religious Debates. I refer there to the Messianic statement in Isaiah that the Messiah is the Everlasting Father (God) and the Prince of Peace (Jesus). For good measure the Paraclete is included as "The wonderful Counselor."

I'm aware of the verse in the Tenach describing King Messiah, which includes some of the titles you list.

How do you square the title of "Prince of Peace" being applied to Jesus when Jesus said He came not to bring peace but a sword?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Then why was all power and authority in heaven and earth given to him? Why is he sitting at the right hand of the Father?

That would seem entirely appropriate for the "Son of God" would it not?

If the Son were God he would not be seated at His own right hand. He'd be smack in the middle on da big throne, eh?

edit: My son sits at my right hand, but he isn't me.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by Booko

That would seem entirely appropriate for the "Son of God" would it not?

If the Son were God he would not be seated at His own right hand. He'd be smack in the middle on da big throne, eh?

edit: My son sits at my right hand, but he isn't me.

This is precisely why human understanding of God and the doctrine of the Holy Trinity as three persons in one was introduced by St. Patrick to the people of his time , first , holding up a tree leaf clover. And only after that explaining how it is possible for God to be three in one.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Booko

That would seem entirely appropriate for the "Son of God" would it not?

If the Son were God he would not be seated at His own right hand. He'd be smack in the middle on da big throne, eh?

edit: My son sits at my right hand, but he isn't me.

Well, now we get into the whole idea of the trinity. "Baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit," Jesus is a subordinate of the Father but shares authority. This subject has its own thread but to some it up; there are people like myself who believe that the term "God" implies a collective like a team. Others don't. As long as Jesus has all authority, he's God to me.