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Old 03-31-2008, 12:38 PM
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I really thank you for not being harsh with my post....I think I am in a defensive mode...I am new at this and I feel like everytime I post something that I am going to be attacked. I appreciate your views.
No problem.........

I do like debate on behalf of the simplicity of the messages in the four gospels. We all may not agree but it does help understand what another person believes or thinks.....
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You need to read my OP in: "Is Jesus God in the Flesh" under Religious Debates. I refer there to the Messianic statement in Isaiah that the Messiah is the Everlasting Father (God) and the Prince of Peace (Jesus). For good measure the Paraclete is included as "The wonderful Counselor."

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah:
John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
I have read your posts in that thread, they have not convinced me of your point of view.

Of course Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, which means "annointed" in Hebrew which means "Christos" in Greek.

He NEVER claimed to BE God in His own words.

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In reading the posts here even a genius would be confused at the different views. I just want to try to simplify this for it appears that even some religious people are confused. I John 5:5-8 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father,(God), Jesus, (the word) and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. (united) In John 14:6 no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. This is Jesus saying that He is the mediator between The Father (God) and us....be very careful here before you speak because in Mat 12;31-32 there are consequences to the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.... In all due respect to anyone reading this, I hope if you didn't know this you will study it and maybe receive some benefit from it. If you are an atheist then you don't believe it anyway, so why would you even be interested enough to read this and why are you interested in a religious education forum if in essence you don't believe in any religion? Is it just for argument's sake, do you want to change me or do you want me to try to convert you....I promise I am not trying to be disrespectful to anyone. I am trying to get people to study for themselves and then reach their own conclusions....Study to show thyself approved....... Thank you (I shall be waiting on my chastisement and my tongue lashing)
1st John is an Epistle not a Gospel, that's the point. John may say something, but what weight should I give to John when Jesus Himself says differently? I won't chastise you, ma'am.

You will find that many agnostics, and hard-core atheists are just as evangelical in their tactics as the very worst of the Bible-Thumpers. Learn to find it funny--it really is.

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If John had meant to claim Jesus is God, he would have. However, he said Jesus was the Son of God and the Messiah. The Messiah is not God, and the Son of God is not God.

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how can God's only "BEGOTTEN" son be not God?
can a dog's begotten pup be not dog?
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how can God's only "BEGOTTEN" son be not God?
can a dog's begotten pup be not dog?
You seriously believe that DNA was passed from God's "body" to Mary like a normal impregnation by humans? God performs coitus, just like humans do?

It was an of will which made Mary bear a son without recourse to normal sexual replication. God said it was so and it was so, there is no real begetting in that as in terms of passing down genetic material. It was the Creative Word, which also was the impetus behind the creation of everything else in existence.

So that is the way the hymen breaks in this scenario, from the inside out.

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The first expression of the Creator's will.

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and the Word was with God
and the Word was God. Gospel of John chapter 1 verse 1


and the Word became flesh... Gospel of John Chapter 1 verse 14

settled.... You either believe or you don't but it's not as
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You seriously believe that DNA was passed from God's "body" to Mary like a normal impregnation by humans? God performs coitus, just like humans do?

It was an of will which made Mary bear a son without recourse to normal sexual replication. God said it was so and it was so, there is no real begetting in that as in terms of passing down genetic material. It was the Creative Word, which also was the impetus behind the creation of everything else in existence.

So that is the way the hymen breaks in this scenario, from the inside out.

Regards,
Scott

The bible account states begotten in spirit not in flesh, even before the time of mary. Jesus existed already.
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