Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage (MDR) (Jesus, ritual, moral, Creator)

[michel]

Originally Posted by Draka

What I'm curious to know...you now knowing that, is that if the cheating wasn't even a factor do you think it was "biblically" okay for me to divorce him?

And also, do you think it is possible for two people to grow apart in who they are any more that communication breaks down to the point that counseling does not help and there is constant bitterness and spiteful things said between the two. If one person or both are no longer even happy in the relationship...is it "right" to continue in the marriage...especially if there are children involved that will see the bad relationship as an example of what a relationship or marriage is?

Probably Religiously only after every effort has been made at councelling, therapy for your ex, then maybe (For better for worse, sickness and in health) - emotionally, my gut feeling says yes - get him out of your life ASAP.

Your second question I know is possible; I have seen scenarios like this. Personally, I think the marriage should be seen as being binding, through thick and thin. Studies (and I am hoping you are not going to ask for sources) have shown that children of batteling households still fare better than with a single family.

From my own personal view, I have made a promise in God's presence; I cannot understand the Church ever being in a position to accept a second promise from me - that is one thing I find I cannot reconcile myself with the idea. But that is my thought about my own position - I would never expect other people to necessarilly follow my dictates - they are for me only.

[Draka]

Is every marriage a "covenant" with "God"? Even if the participants are not Christian and did not marry in a church or by clergy? Married by a Justice of the Peace for legallity of it...but no religious ceremony of any kind? Does that make a difference?

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Draka

Is every marriage a "covenant" with "God"? Even if the participants are not Christian and did not marry in a church or by clergy? Married by a Justice of the Peace for legallity of it...but no religious ceremony of any kind? Does that make a difference?

Yes it does make a difference.... but that's the main difference between how the RCC views Marriage as a Sacrament, and the secular world views marriage as something much less.

Every marriage SHOULD be a covenant with God... it should be something MORE than just a legal "thing".... but in our society, that's not what is happening..... it's not even happening with Roman Catholics or other Christian groups who have pretty much the same divorce rate as non-Catholics/Christians..... which is the reason my Church keeps yapping about morality and society.... the culture of death we live in promotes this kind of "throw-away" lifestyle.... don't want a baby? Abort it. Church too strict? Leave Marriage too difficult? Divorce.... your case was quite different (as I previously mentioned) but I hope you get the idea.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by Draka

What I'm curious to know...you now knowing that, is that if the cheating wasn't even a factor do you think it was "biblically" okay for me to divorce him?

Like I said I don't know. I would much rather see a married couple work out the mariage. But sadly, often it is easier said than done.

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I'm skeptical about this question here Linus. Why are you even studying it?

Because of the question I posed somewhere else in the discussion. People make mistakes, and marriages end.

Don't get me wrong, I know that marriage is the most sacred union between a man and a woman and that divorce should be avoided, if possible, in any case, but there is one stipulation, and that is adultery.

If a spouse comitts adultery and is divorced for that reason, does that spouse have the right, biblically, to marry someone else?

I say no, because it is not authorized anywhere in the Bible. Others say that yes, he or she can. That is the main issue. Does this help?

[Draka]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Yes it does make a difference.... but that's the main difference between how the RCC views Marriage as a Sacrament, and the secular world views marriage as something much less.

Every marriage SHOULD be a covenant with God... it should be something MORE than just a legal "thing".... but in our society, that's not what is happening..... it's not even happening with Roman Catholics or other Christian groups who have pretty much the same divorce rate as non-Catholics/Christians..... which is the reason my Church keeps yapping about morality and society.... the culture of death we live in promotes this kind of "throw-away" lifestyle.... don't want a baby? Abort it. Church too strict? Leave Marriage too difficult? Divorce.... your case was quite different (as I previously mentioned) but I hope you get the idea.

I too do not like the recent idea of a "throw away" lifestyle. With exception of certain situations when it comes to divorce (as previously mentioned) I think we often don't take responsibility for our choices. The baby thing is a big thing for me. While I am technically Pro-Choice I am adamantly against the use of abortion for birth control method. I only see it as a thing for life saving precautions in extreme situations.

Will post later on this...have to fix something on comp and need to close extra running programs.

[Victor]

Draka, each situation is unique and my answer was a general answer and I should have noted that. I do know of a case where the Church did in fact give a friend of mine an annulment for what you noted but it was only because the Church felt that the right ingredients were never a part of the covenant. That being Love.

~Victor

[Draka]

Originally Posted by Victor

Draka, each situation is unique and my answer was a general answer and I should have noted that. I do know of a case where the Church did in fact give a friend of mine an annulment for what you noted but it was only because the Church felt that the right ingredients were never a part of the covenant. That being Love.

~Victor

Thank you. I don't mean to pour out my past messed up situation and certainly do not do it to make anyone feel sorry for me, I don't want that...I don't feel sorry for myself, it was just a very bad thing to live through and I got through it intact and fine and that is all that matters. I just used my own situation to bring up what I thought was a valid point to think on is all.

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Linus

Like I said I don't know. I would much rather see a married couple work out the mariage. But sadly, often it is easier said than done.

Because of the question I posed somewhere else in the discussion. People make mistakes, and marriages end.

Don't get me wrong, I know that marriage is the most sacred union between a man and a woman and that divorce should be avoided, if possible, in any case, but there is one stipulation, and that is adultery.

If a spouse comitts adultery and is divorced for that reason, does that spouse have the right, biblically, to marry someone else?

I say no, because it is not authorized anywhere in the Bible. Others say that yes, he or she can. That is the main issue. Does this help?

Yes this helps to clarify the question.

I would think yes the spouse can be re-married. "it is not good for man to be alone"