Child of God? (Jesus Christ, Earth, paradise, virgin, tradition)

[Halcyon]

Ok, so if Jesus was the son of God, then God must be a different entitiy to him, yes? Because its difficult to father yourself.

But many Christians believe Jesus was the incarnation of God, correct? If this is so, does that mean there was no God in heaven while Jesus lived?
But that cannot be, because Jesus himself used to talk to his 'father in heaven'.

So, if God was in heaven for Jesus to talk to, then God could not be Jesus. Thus Jesus must be a demi-god, half human (from his mother), half deity.

Of course this is not accepted by Christians.

Discuss.

[Aqualung]

I myself don't really have anything to say, but I have always wanted to hear from those who say that God=Jesus. How could they say that, when numerous times Jesus says he is under the Falther, and that all he does he does in the FAther, and at the request of the Father. I would really like someone of that persuasion to defend that beleif too.

[michel]

Who is Jesus Christ?

We believe that Jesus Christ is a completely unique (one of a kind) human being.

Why?

He is the only man ever born by way of God putting a seed in the womb of a virgin (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35). God put a perfect seed in the womb of Mary so that Jesus would be born without the sin nature that every other human being inherited from the First Adam. Therefore, Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God (John 3:16) and the Son of Man (John 5:27).

He is the only man who is called “the Last Adam” (1 Cor. 15:45). As the only-begotten Son of God, Jesus was the genetic equivalent to the first “Son of God,” Adam (Luke 3:38). As the only man born without inherent sin, Jesus was thus the only man equipped to be the Savior and Redeemer of mankind. Romans 5:12-21 is the classic comparison of these two Adams and the respective impact each had on mankind.

He is the only man who had perfect faith in God, and who, by his free will choices to trust God, lived a sinless life, always doing the will of his Father (John 8:29). Jesus was not a robot, programmed to obey God. If so, he could not have been genuinely tempted to sin, just like all men he came to save (Heb. 4:15). The absence of a sin nature was not the reason why Jesus did not sin. We know that because the First Adam also had no sin nature, and he sinned royally.

He is the only man who died as the perfect sacrifice for our sins (Heb. 10:12-14; 1 John 4:10). By his virgin birth, Jesus was the “genetically” perfect sacrifice for the sin of mankind. By his lifelong obedience to God, all the way to his dying breath on the Cross, he became the “behaviorally” perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind (Heb. 2:17). Thus, he was the complete propitiation for fallen men to be redeemed.

He is the only man God ever raised from the dead in order to confirm that he was who he had said he was—the Son of God (Acts 17:31; Rom. 1:4). The resurrection of Jesus Christ was God keeping His promise to His Son, and also His affirmation to all men that Jesus is “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6).

He is the only man whom God highly exalted as “Lord” and “Head of the Church,” and to whom God has given all authority in heaven and on earth (Dan. 7:13-14; Phil. 2:9; Acts 2:36; Eph. 1:22; Matt. 28:18). As Pharaoh exalted Joseph to his right hand and gave him all authority in Egypt (Gen. 41:37-46), so God has given Jesus functional equality with Himself. Jesus Christ is now God’s “right hand man” (Eph. 1:20), carrying out the work that will eventually restore this fallen world.

He is the only man who is now the Mediator between God and mankind (1 Tim. 2:5). It is Jesus Christ to whom God has given the power to “save to the uttermost” all who call upon his name, because he ever lives to make intercession for us (Heb. 7:25).

He is the only man who will gather together all Christians to meet him “in the air” (1 Thess. 4:17) and give each one a new body like his own (Phil. 3:21). As the promised “seed” of the woman (Gen. 3:15), Jesus Christ will produce fruit after his kind, a race of people living forever.

He is the only man who will one day return to the earth, destroy all evil men (and eventually destroy Satan and his evil spirit cohorts), and rule the earth as King for 1000 years (Rev. 19:11-20:7). At his first coming to the earth to Israel, Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb of God, but he will come again as the Lion of Judah to save his people, Israel, and destroy all God’s enemies.

He is the only man who will raise from the dead every human being who has ever lived (John 5:21, 25). As God has given Jesus “life in himself,” so he will raise up all people.

He is the only man who will judge all men and women of all time (John 5:22, 27). Jesus will righteously judge all people, granting everlasting life to those who deserve it, and annihilating all the wicked (Acts 17:31; John 5:28, 29).

He is the only man who will restore on a new earth the Paradise that the First Adam lost (1 Cor. 15:24-28). As “the Last Adam,” Jesus was God’s Contingency Plan to salvage His original plan that Adam’s disobedience thwarted, that is, a perfect race of people living forever on a perfect earth. Amen.

He is the only man who is our Savior, our Redeemer, our Mediator, our Lord, our constant Companion, our Best Friend, our Big Brother, the Light of our lives, our Peace, our Joy, and our Mentor in the art of faith.

He is the Lover of our souls, and that is why we love him and confess him as Lord (Rom. 10:9).

Source :-http://www.truthortradition.com/modu...rticle&sid=429

[Jayhawker Soule]

To anticipate NetDoc: if God were conceivable/comprehensible - is would not be God.

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Ok, so if Jesus was the son of God, then God must be a different entitiy to him, yes? Because its difficult to father yourself.

But many Christians believe Jesus was the incarnation of God, correct? If this is so, does that mean there was no God in heaven while Jesus lived?
But that cannot be, because Jesus himself used to talk to his 'father in heaven'.

So, if God was in heaven for Jesus to talk to, then God could not be Jesus. Thus Jesus must be a demi-god, half human (from his mother), half deity.

Of course this is not accepted by Christians.

Discuss.

The belief is that jesus is the Son God.
During his life on earth Jesus was fully man and able to communicate directly with God to whom he prayed.
When he went up to heaven He became one with God and with the holy spirit.
I prefer to see Jesus and The Holy Spirit as aspects of God.
If you want it in scriptural language I am sure you will get it. but not from me.

Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

The belief is that jesus is the Son God.

But not the only one. Just the only begotten one.

[dan]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

To anticipate NetDoc: if God were conceivable/comprehensible - is would not be God.

How very Catholic (neo-platonic) of you. Read John 17:3. We have no life in us if we do not come to know God and Jesus personally (and yes that means comprehend them).

[dan]

Here's the deal. Everyone and everything existed spiritually before physically. We were all intelligences before we were organized into spirits and given physical bodies. God was our spiritual creator. Christ was His first creation and our spiritual superior. There was a council in heaven before the foundations of this world were laid in order to decide the destiny of our spirits. Christ offered himself as a sacrifice to atone for the sins we would inevitably commit. We receive forgiveness when we comply with his law (faith, repentance, baptism, Gift of the Holy Ghost). Lucifer offered to be the savior, but his plan was to rob us of free will so we would all make it back. Our Father rejected Lucifer's plan and he was thrown out with a third of God's spirit children. We were given bodies (through physical mothers and fathers) and the Gospel was preached beginning with Adam. The prophets looked forward to the coming of Christ through the ages. He was born on April 6, 1 B.C. God put His spirit in a body He prepared in the womb of a human virgin. Christ is the only begotten in that He is the only man to ever be created spiritually and physically by God the Father in this fallen world. We are all spiritual sons and daughters of God the Father, and through the principles and ordinances of the Gospel we can become sons and daughters of God the Son (Christ). See John 1:12. This is the adoption spoken of by Paul and the only way to have the atonement wipe us clean of our sins.