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Old 06-10-2005, 02:45 PM
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This site confirms my suspicion that it was not due to the sentiment of our being the new Zion per se, but the result of an increase in religious fervor brought on by uncertainty and fear. So we added "In God We Trust" to our money because of the Civil War. And we added "one nation under God" to the pledge of allegiance because of the Cold War, to combat those "godless Commies."


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Of course you are right, Lilithu. But to me it seems that there is the hypocritical meaning of "In God We Trust - not to notice our sins." I'm also thinking of where the blame has gone and does go to explain God's disfavor and the state of evil that is seen.. I'm not so sure it is an oversimplification to blame pork as one "timber" in the eye of the religious right.
I think you have a very valid point! and one that needs to be further explored. Tho I think the pork criticism will just get brushed asside. Surely there are other injunctions that America ignores which have more social relevance? Is there a reason why this one is particularly relevant?

Do you see yourself in conversation directly with the religious right? The reason I ask is that I fear that whether your point is valid or not, your talk of sin will not be taken seriously by the religious right because you're a non-theist. My talk of sin will not be taken seriously because I am not the right kind of theist. We don't have the proper "credentials" to be interpreting the bible, or so I've been told. "Even the Devil can quote scripture."

The way I see it, the argument with the religious right - meaning mostly conservative Christians and some conservative Jews - needs to be waged by liberal and mainstream Christians and Jews. People like you and me need to be talking to the liberal and mainstream Christians and Jews.
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:50 PM
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seems to me that the scriptures pah wrote were meant for the jewish people in the year BC and america has invited itself into thinking its for them,not insulting any americans,im english but would say the same thing if england had that scripture
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Old 06-10-2005, 03:27 PM
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seems to me that the scriptures pah wrote were meant for the jewish people in the year BC and america has invited itself into thinking its for them,not insulting any americans,im english but would say the same thing if england had that scripture
the scripture is as much meant for the jewish people today as well...
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the scripture is as much meant for the jewish people today as well...
Including VaYikra?
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Including VaYikra?
are you refering to the sacrafices in the beginning of Vayikra? without the Temple, they can not be preformed...

of course there's debate as to whether or not they will be done should a 3rd temple ever built...
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are you refering to the sacrafices in the beginning of Vayikra? without the Temple, they can not be preformed...
What about 18:20?
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not sleeping w/ your neighbor's wife? yes i would say that's still observed by some...
By some? What about Leviticus 18:22. Are you Torah observant? Do you uphold Leviticus 18:22?
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Pah and Lilithu were discussing "In God we Trust" , and jewscout and Deut were chatting on whether we should eat grasshopper or not.
Shouldn't these two be on separate thread?
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Canadian started as a God fearing nation, and I was always of the opinion that Washington started America as a liberal free country for every one, theist and non-theist and atheist inclusive. It is with time that the fundamental Christians slowly gained political power, and have infused the religion into the state, violating the separating of church and state as established by the founding fathers of America? This is a sad trend, as religious intolerance will only lead to war and not peace.
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The way I see it, the argument with the religious right - meaning mostly conservative Christians and some conservative Jews - needs to be waged by liberal and mainstream Christians and Jews. People like you and me need to be talking to the liberal and mainstream Christians and Jews.

Is this starting an internal family war within the Christian community?
No place for the atheist to get involved, eh?
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