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Old 06-10-2005, 08:34 AM
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That an event is explainable is no evidence that the event happened. Once again, there is zero evidence for the Biblical Exodus/Conquest and much evidence against it. It's folklore.
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Old 06-10-2005, 08:35 AM
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"Remember, We parted the sea and saved you, and drowned the men of Pharaoh before your very eyes". Quran (2:50)

"When the two forces drew within seeing distance of each other, the people of Moses said:"We shall certainly be overtaken." Moses replied: " By no means. My Lord is with me. He will show me the way." We commanded Moses: "Smite the sea with your staff." And it parted, and every parting was like a lofty mountain. Then We brought the others to that place. We delivered Moses and every one with him, And We drowned the others. Verily there is a sign in this, but most of them do not believe. Indeed your Lord is mighty and merciful. " Quran (26:61-68)
Yeah that.I believe in the crossing of the Red Sea.

Some say that just before the Pharaoh was about to drown and die he claimed himself to be a believer of God.
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Old 06-10-2005, 08:40 AM
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That an event is explainable is no evidence that the event happened. Once again, there is zero evidence for the Biblical Exodus/Conquest and much evidence against it. It's folklore.
Which is why I added that if it didn't happen in this way (and no logical means of happening com about) then it didn't happen, as far as I am concerned.

This life is too short to believe in things without some evidence.
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and you know better than genius mind of christ do you..............
Focus. We're talking about Exodus folklore and you're talking about a guy who goes around killing fig trees. Buy the way, would you mind suggesting a date for this Exodus?
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What do you base this on?
Personal revelation, to begin with, but since I have matured a bit, I have yet to see a biblical event proven false.

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Low tide. There is evidence that certain conditions can cause very low tides in that region, which rebound quickly to foreign heights. As the Israelites passed, the tides began to rapidly rise. As the Egyptians passed, they rose to rapidly for retreat, drowning the Egyptians.

If not that, then it never happened and was a myth.
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Druidus, Do you not believe in the powers of your forebearers?

The Biblical account involves the miraculous, I believe this is possible, you may not. It does not say there was a low tide it says

"But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left."
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http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm Modern day evidence from Ron Wyatt
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb971126.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=33168 [2003]
A more acceptable explanation is summarized by bbc:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/progra...e/redsea.shtml
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For nearly a century, there has been speculation that the Red Sea mentioned in Exodus is not the huge 100-mile-wide expanse as it is known today, but the western 'finger' of the Red Sea--which is now called the Gulf of Suez--that extends to the border areas of Egypt. This notion stems from the fact that the original Hebrew phrase for Red Sea was 'yam suph,' which actually means 'Reed Sea.' This phrase most aptly describes the lake region north of the Gulf of Suez, including the Bitter Lakes and Lake Timsah. According to the account in Exodus of Moses's feat, enough water was present initially to block the fleeing Israelites, and then later to drown the pursuing Egyptians.
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Now the simple fact is, we do not know exactly what body of water is referenced by yam suph in Scripture, which is the origin of much of the debate. The translation "Red Sea" is simply a traditional translation introduced into English by the King James Version through the second century BC Greek Septuagint and the later Latin Vulgate. It then became a traditional translation of the Hebrew terms. However, many modern translations either translate yam suph as "Sea of Reeds" or use the traditional translation and add a footnote for the Hebrew meaning.
Con: Not a single historical record (contemparory) other than the Hebrew OT mentioned about the crossing.

So just based on the pro and con, without resorting to faith (.... the question of belief and the question of history? Whether Moses really crossed the Red Sea or not is not important; that's the question of history. The important thing is whether or not God was there; the point of the Bible is religion, not history.......), you can decide for yourself whether to believe the crossing or not. Crossing the Reed, very possible.
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Old Testament Life and Literature (1968) Gerald A. Larue
Read Exod. 1-6
After what appears to be an extended period of time, the Hebrews increased in numbers and became a mighty multitude, and a pharaoh who was indifferent to the Joseph traditions inherited the throne and persecuted the Hebrews, pressing them into virtual enslavement. Moses, a desert refugee from Egyptian justice, became associated with the Kenite people. On the slopes of Mount Sinai in a dramatic encounter with Yahweh, he was commissioned to act as deliverer of the Hebrews. In the clash with Pharaoh, the god-king's power was overshadowed by Yahweh through a series of horrendous events in which the Nile was turned to blood and plagues involving frogs, gnats, flies, cattle, boils, hail, locusts and darkness are ultimately climaxed by the death of all the first-born children of Egypt (Read Exod. 7-11). This final act, associated in tradition with the Passover festival, persuaded Pharaoh to release the Hebrews. Shortly after the Hebrews departed, Pharaoh changed his mind and pursued them. At the Sea of Reeds, Yahweh permitted the Hebrews to pass through the waters unscathed but overwhelmed the Egyptians. The Hebrews pressed into the wilderness to Mount Sinai where the law was given and there they entered a covenant with Yahweh (Read Num. 14:39f.). After an abortive attempt to seize Canaan by penetrating from the south, they moved eastward and, after many setbacks, took up a position on the eastern side of the Jordan, just north of the Salt Sea. Here Moses died, and under his successor, Joshua, the attacks on Canaan were launched.
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