What or Who is Babylon the Great? (Jesus, ritual, Earth)

[ThisShouldMakeSense]

Yet another fun debate!
I'd like to know what you guys think Babylon The Great is.

Revelation 17:5*(New King James Version)

And on her forehead a name was written:
****** MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Is it a person, a place, an organisation, a country, a beleif etc, etc...please discuss. Ta!

[njcl]

i would say its a continent or a country with great power where things like buisness,economical and earthly wealth are numerous,also if we look at the world as wicked as a whole then it could be anywhere

[michel]

Everyone agrees that the book of Revelation predicts the fall of Babylon; what they do not agree upon is the identity of Babylon. Some say it is Rome, Roman Catholicism, a modern day world-wide church, or apostate Christianity as a whole. One thing is certain, the interpretation of Revelation and thus much of the Bible, hinges upon who Babylon is or was. In Revelation the coming of Christ, the New Creation, judgment and resurrection are associated with the fall of Babylon. To mistakenly identify Babylon is to incorrectly interpret these issues. Whatever one makes Babylon to be these issues are inextricably linked with her fall! Can we identify Babylon? Yes indeed!

Revelation 16:6; 17:1-6; 18:20, 24 tell us that Babylon was drunk with the blood of the prophets. This is a critical point! The term "the prophets" appears 88 times in the New Testament. The overwhelmingly normal usage of the term refers to Old Testament prophets.

Now the city of Rome, the Roman Catholic church, apostate Christianity, nor any modern world-wide church ever persecuted Old Testament prophets! But Babylon of Revelation did, therefore none of these can be identified as Babylon; it is just that simple! What city persecuted the Old Testament prophets and filled the Cup of her Sin by so doing? It was Jerusalem.

Comparing Matthew 23 with Revelation plainly reveals this. In Matthew 23:31 Jesus said it was Jerusalem that had killed the prophets; in Revelation it is Babylon. In Matthew 23:32 Jesus said the Jews were about to fill the cup of their sin by continuing to persecute those sent to her; in Revelation 17 Babylon has filled her cup by persecuting not only the prophets of old but the followers of Jesus as well, 17:6. In Matthew 23:35 Jesus said Jerusalem was guilty of "all the blood shed on the earth," 23:35; in Revelation 18:24 Babylon bears the guilt for "all the blood shed on the earth." In Matthew 23:36 Jesus said judgment on Jerusalem for killing the prophets would come in his generation; in Revelation Jesus said "Behold, I come quickly" 22:6, 10, 12, 20. Such parallels are not accidental!

Finally, the Great City Babylon is "spiritually called Sodom," Rev. 11:8; and the only city in the Bible--other than historical Sodom--that is ever called Sodom is Jerusalem, Isaiah 1:10; Jer. 23:14, Ezek. 16:44f. Babylon is also "where the Lord was crucified" Rev. 11:8. Jesus was not crucified in Rome, or by the Catholic church; Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem!

Source:-http://www.preteristarchive.com/Preterism/preston-don_p_03.html

[may]

Originally Posted by ThisShouldMakeSense

Yet another fun debate!
I'd like to know what you guys think Babylon The Great is.

Revelation 17:5*(New King James Version)

And on her forehead a name was written:
****** MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Is it a person, a place, an organisation, a country, a beleif etc, etc...please discuss. Ta!

Babylon the great is the world empire of false religion, and christendom as a whole, ( not true christianity)has a large part to play in that , because she claims to represent the God of the bible and she will be destroyed because of her false beliefsthat all stem from babylon of old

[almifkhar]

i have often pondered this one myself. me i think it is the u.s.a. she was great once apon a time and she is gona fall and fall hard. i useto think that perhaps it was like one said before christedom as a whole in paticular the vatican which i believe is on its way out real soon too. but i think that it is more political because politics and greed in politics are what really corrupts the world and it influences the entire planet. the bond with nations is business and politics not religon. and in our day and age, business is not done honestly neither in paticular political business this is where our corruption now stems from. perhaps i am wrong but this is what i think and thought i would share. i must admit i never thought of jeruslem as the babylon the great and even that makes sense considering all the corruption there and the golbal impact that goes along with it. hmmmm i will have to look around for it and see if there is a connection.

[may]

Originally Posted by almifkhar

i have often pondered this one myself. me i think it is the u.s.a. she was great once apon a time and she is gona fall and fall hard. i useto think that perhaps it was like one said before christedom as a whole in paticular the vatican which i believe is on its way out real soon too. but i think that it is more political because politics and greed in politics are what really corrupts the world and it influences the entire planet. the bond with nations is business and politics not religon. and in our day and age, business is not done honestly neither in paticular political business this is where our corruption now stems from. perhaps i am wrong but this is what i think and thought i would share. i must admit i never thought of jeruslem as the babylon the great and even that makes sense considering all the corruption there and the golbal impact that goes along with it. hmmmm i will have to look around for it and see if there is a connection.

notice that this woman (Babylon the great) is sitting upon a scarlet colored wild beast thats full of blasphemous names with seven heads and ten horns ...rev 17;3 this beast is FULL of blasphemous names.this beast pictures the League of Nations organization that the two-horned wild beast brought to life in 1920.....rev 13;14-15.its purpose was to maintain international peace and sucurity ,this is blasphemy because this idol is a substitue for the Kingdom of God , and only Gods kingdom can acomplish true peace ...daniel 2;44 and the fact that this woman (babylon the great)is riding the scarlet colored wild beast means she has linked herself with it. the churches have made the false claim that the league of nations and its successor the united nations is the political expression of the Kingom of God on earth . this is blasphemy because only Gods kingdom which was born in the heavens in 1914 can bring true peace so babylon is misleading people in all sorts of ways

[njcl]

i recall the ten horns also which could indicate the european union although i know theres more than 10 countries attatched at the moment

[Ori]

Statue of liberty?

[njcl]

has its crown got 10 horns??

[may]

Originally Posted by njcl

i recall the ten horns also which could indicate the european union although i know theres more than 10 countries attatched at the moment

The ten horns depict all the political powers that presently hold sway on the world scene and that support the image of the wild beast

Ten is a number denoting fullness, entirety,