Scripture (Jesus, gospel, contradiction, beliefs, doctrine) - Page 3

Bright-ness' Shadow · #21 06-08-2005, 10:57 AM

reyjamiei,

I've also read, thought the place escapes me, that Mark is the model of Mathhew and Luke. For the life of me I can't figure out how "Q" fits in, except it may be the oral tradition that preceded the written versions. The simularities in verse between Matthew and Mark is remarkable.

But then, I also see the same thing happening in the Old Testament (Deuteronony and Numbers, I believe).

All of this discussion is further influenced by the various canonizations that have brought the Bible into being.

Though I agree with Deut (the RF member) that your conclusion is a little shacky, this is a serious subject. There is, in my mind, a definite common link in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic world and it revolves around the Christian Old Testament (not that Christians own it).

If inspiration is the key understanding and basis of any scripture then all have the same standard of truth - one is not more "right" than the other.

Jayhawker Soule · #22 06-08-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pah

If inspiration is the key understanding and basis of any scripture then all have the same standard of truth - one is not more "right" than the other.

That {X} is inspired does not mean that inspiration is the key to understanding {X}.

Even if it were the key to understanding {X}, that is not equivalent to asserting that all {X} have the same standard of truth.

Even if it did imply that all {X} have the same standard of truth, that would not necessitate that "one is not more 'right' than the other".

Other than that, and the fact that there is precious little concern as to how the verse would have been understood by Timothy, I fully agree with you.

EnhancedSpirit · #23 06-08-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Very well. Discuss with us what Timothy would infer from the term 'scripture', particularly after the exhortation against false teachings.

False teachings of the scripture. Mis-interpretations of the scripture. It says that the interpretation and application used by man (who are sinful in Nature) can be wrong. It says that the truth is in ALL SCRIPTURE. Seek and you will find.

It was once explained to me that God only repeats himself when the message is important. So that which has been repeated through each of the religions is what I consider the Truth of God. Everything else is human interpretation and application.

Jayhawker Soule · #24 06-08-2005, 11:21 AM

Speaking of teachings and life's little lessons, today I am practicing patience.

Bright-ness' Shadow · #25 06-08-2005, 11:46 AM

Geez, Deut. The only way I know to prove inspiration of a supernatural being is through revelation. I'm not even sure that there is a proper claim to the same God being the inspiration. Again, that would have to divulged by revelation so the appeal to authority is suspect. "My" God can be not be assigned more truth that "your" God - identity is out of the question. So too, will the actions of separate gods and the seemingly contradictory words of the same god be limited by the truth standard. The standing of one who claims revelation is equal to any other that claims revelation - no more, no less.

Melody · #26 06-08-2005, 01:32 PM

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The New Testament has been known to contradict the Old Testament. Christians believe the Torah is flawed and corrected the problem. Why do you believe that Christianity is the end all for everyone?

No, not all Christians believe the Torah is flawed and corrected the problem. The NT does not contradict the OT. The OT is a history of God's relationship with His chosen people. The NT is about the teachings of Christ and, for the christian, are the source. Those who choose to pull out of context verses from the OT to push their own political agenda are another issue which has little to do with christianity. I believe that Christianity is the end all for me. You're quite free to believe whatever you choose.

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Originally Posted by EnhancedSpirit

Both Mormons and Muslims honor Christ, just because they do so in a different manner than you, does not make them wrong. You seem to be carrying the sword of judgement. And what does Christ say about that?

<sigh> ES....are you looking to pick a fight with me? You've accused me of being judgmental in a couple of threads now. Feel free to believe Christ is just another prophet or even nothing at all. However, just because I don't agree with you, that doesn't mean I'm being judgmental. Judgmental would be if I said you're a heretic and you didn't deserve to live.

Melody · #27 06-08-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pah

If inspiration is the key understanding and basis of any scripture then all have the same standard of truth - one is not more "right" than the other.

But they can't all be "right" since they do not agree on some fundamental basics...like Jesus being God. I don't even want to get into who is right because the mormons believe they are, the muslims believe they are, christians believe they are and if we believed the other was right, we wouldn't believe in the faith that we do.

I'm getting a headache....

Jayhawker Soule · #28 06-08-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pah

Geez, Deut. The only way I know to prove inspiration of a supernatural being is through revelation.

Though tangential to the thread, I would be surprised if even the most devout theist framed revelation as proof rather than access. It seems to me that revelation is deemed a means of acquiring truth, not a means of confirming it.